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Lt. Commander
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The basic premise is to continue the line of ships which starts with the Tier 1 Miranda frigate , by fleshing this out into a new class of ship to go alongside the current escort ,cruiser and science ship lines

On Universal BOFFS and what they bring to the game for new players...

The Klingon Bird of prey is a fantastic ship for new players to learn with simply because it allows you to test out every power in the game , it would be a nice addition to Starfleet to have a similar , but different, ship , that doesnt cloak , but does have universal boffs

Furthermore , modifying the Miranda(noob frigate//starter ship) would bring some parity in Tier 1 pvp and allow much more competition in this tier.

Important points...

This NEW CLASS of ships resides somewhere between an Escort and a science ship in firepower and utility , with raptor like hull hitpoints , but better shields
  • They would have Raptor hull hitpoints
  • They would have between Cruiser and escort Shield hitpoints
  • Turn rate less than Escorts , more than Science ships
  • They would NOT be able to fit heavy cannons
  • They would NOT cloak
  • They would have Universal BOFFs


This class would also be a very good fit for the Nebula class which was very much a "Jack of all trades" in its capability and was often tasked as science ship , medical ship OR heavily armed and used in a fire support role due to its heavbily modular design..


Heres some rough stats , these can all be tweaked and fleshed out , but it gives the general idea...

Tier 1 Frigate , - Miranda Class

Updated with 3 Ensign Universal BOFF stations

Hitpoints and available loadouts remain the same..

2 fore weapons
1 aft

Tier 2 , Frigate - "Furious" Class... http://www.starfleet-museum.org/furious.htm

2 Ensign Universal Boff
1 LT Universal Boff
Hull Hitpoints same as Klingon raptor , with better shields

3 fore weapons
1 aft

Tier 3 frigate - "Curry" Class - as seen here http://www.trekmania.net/the_fleet/u...hers/curry.htm
2 ensign universal
1 LT Universal
1 LT CMDR Universal

4 fore weapons
1 Aft

Tier 4 Frigate- "Nebula" class

2 ensign
2 lt cmdr

4 fore weapons
2 aft

Tier 5 Frigate - "Springfield" Class ,- http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ar...pringfield.htm

2 ensign
1 Lt
1 Lt cmdr
1 Cmdr

4 fore
4 aft

Tier 5.x frigate - Nebula Refit aka "Proto Nebula"http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ar...oto-nebula.htm
2 ensign
1 Lt
1 Lt cmdr
1 Cmdr

4 fore
3 aft

+ Special ability - Deflector discharge
Lt. Commander
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# 2
08-11-2010, 02:03 PM
Traditionally a Frigate has been a ship of varying class. Frigates in the age of sail were fast maneuverable vessels with one or two gun decks. They sat just under ships of the line like the fourth rate. Frigates then vanished for a time, I do not believe there were any true Frigates in WW1 and WW2 because their niche was taken by cruisers. This made the fleet line up Destroyers, Cruisers, Battleship, Carrier. With submarines as free agents.

Frigates came back during the cold war as Electronic Warfare and Missile platforms. And took their place between Destroyers and Cruisers. Seeking from history this could be a solid way to go instead.

A federation Frigate class vessel could offer a free BO design. I think I would limit it to 3 aft and three for weapons. But give it a bonus to Torpedo's and Mines. The thing though is that the high tech ship that the frigate would be is already taken by the Sci vessels. So it is hard to discern where it really should go.

I think the easier path would be to just keep going up and offer a Battleship/Dreadnought class. That that to poses it's own hazards.
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# 3
08-11-2010, 04:26 PM
For the record... a lot of klingon players will soon be here to take a dump in this topic.
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# 4
08-11-2010, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyHappyJoyJoy View Post
For the record... a lot of klingon players will soon be here to take a dump in this topic.
Yep. Like they always say, we fed players already stole so much from them (that was actually Cryptic), if anything was stolen at all. Yay for more klingon content, nay to klingon trolls.
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# 5
08-11-2010, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyHappyJoyJoy View Post
For the record... a lot of klingon players will soon be here to take a dump in this topic.
I disagree. Universal slots are not a Klingon thing. Only one ship line even has those, and not because its Klingon, but because it is supposed to be a very versatile ship. It only makes perfect sense that a Federation ship would eventually enter the game with that kind of versatility in mind (besides the runabout). A refit Miranda or Nebula both make very good sense for that kind of ship.

I don't think it should be a whole line like the BOP, though.
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# 6
08-11-2010, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyHappyJoyJoy View Post
For the record... a lot of klingon players will soon be here to take a dump in this topic.
Haha lol I play Klingon but Im not here to bash the idea on the contary its a good idea however lets be realistic Klingon's are still awaiting their refits which have yet to come so i hope that in all fairness the Klingons get their fair shair of refits and then feds will probably see the excelsior before Christmas. Although given Cryptics priorites you never know this is federation online after all so it wouldn't surprise me to see as many fed refits as the cstore cash cow can handle frankly I'm surprised things are taking so long.

Also your suggested tier refits need to lose a BO if you want universal (like the BOP) you get the same BO numbers to compensate for the fact you get universal BO's.
Lt. Commander
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# 7
08-11-2010, 10:08 PM
I support this idea, because it would free up the whole Commander level of "Cruiser" for another group of 2-nacelled ships, potentially based on the Excelsior and Ambassador classes. Ideally for cruisers, you'd have:

T1- Constitution and variants
T2- Excelsior and variants
T3- Ambassador and variants
T4- Galaxy and variants
T5- Sovereign and variants

Of course the problem comes in that T1 is already "Miranda" by default. In Star Trek, the frigates have served very "well rounded" roles, part cruiser, part science vessel, part escort. A "Jack of all trades".. which makes the Miranda the perfect "first ship".. but I do like the idea of a frigate "class" that would allow people not to specialize if they wanted a more well rounded approach. T2 gets an extra engineering slot, t3 gets an extra tactical slot, t4 gets an extra science slot, so by tier 4, you have a well-rounded ship again, with Tier 5 perhaps giving you some way to choose the next slot.. perhaps each of it's three variants at tier 5 could have unique specialties.

I dunno really. I just like any idea that gets me closer to flying an Ambassador class heavy cruiser.
Lt. Commander
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# 8
08-12-2010, 06:02 AM
If the Federation is to get a Universal BO vessel, I say it should fall under the same classification and restrictions as the BoP.
One vessel type that barely changes with rank.
Weakest hulls and shields of the Federation fleet.

Seems only fair to not have multiple and different vessels in the Federation fleet with universal BO's, but just one like the Klingons.

Of course I find the whole thing to be a bad idea over-all, as all it will accomplish is a further division between the player factions and push STO farther towards being StarFleet online.
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# 9
08-13-2010, 06:48 AM
I must say I always felt the universal BO slots on the Bird of Prey were a cheap solution to circumvent the need to properly flesh out the KDF with enough ships.
Instead of giving them a decent counterpart to the science ships of the Federation, some kind of military scout like the Raptor actually was in "Enterprise" or the Bird of Prey used to be in Star Trek 3 and 4, and at least two choices of BO and console arrangement on their cruisers and escorts, they simply made the BoP neutral.
Personally I always felt the Raptor should have been the Klingon science-oriented ship while the Bird of Prey should have been the Klingon version of the escort, lighter and more maneuverable than the Federation version but with a similar (fixed) BO and conosle arrangement.
Simply because all that sensor, probe etc equipment must be pretty bulky and would not actually fit into the BoP, but into the larger Raptor.
And the line of argument that the BoP was used for just about everythig is right, but so were several other ships.
For example the Klingons used a Vor'cha in "Dramatis Personae" for a research misssion into the Gamma Quadrant.
I believe a neutral frigate-type ship for the Feds with the same neutral BO slots is a great idea and would give a similar line of choices to the Feds.
However at the same time I would very much like to see at least one KDF dedicated military scout/science vessel with 5 BO slots and a primarily scientific BO and console arrangement similar to the Luna, which is the most tactical-oriented of the three T5 science ships available to the Federation.
Then it would be a truly fair trade and everyone would get something new and fair to play with.
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