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# 71
10-01-2010, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by claydermunch View Post
ICBS.
Atari.
Cryptic.

Thats 3 companies who all want money out of this. F2P cannot cover that.
Cryptic is owned by Atari. Cryptic was bought by Atari before this game came out. Cryptic is part of Atari. It's just 2 companies in your list.
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# 72
10-01-2010, 08:58 AM
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Cryptic is owned by Atari. Cryptic was bought by Atari before this game came out. Cryptic is part of Atari. It's just 2 companies in your list.
It's standard for MMO publishers to take 50-75% of the revenues of a game each month. The remainder is what's left for the producer to keep making the game. So while Atari might own Cryptic as the publisher they take their cut off the top, and then get a share of whatever profits Cryptic might make by the end of the year as well.
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# 73
10-01-2010, 09:59 AM
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I can't. I do not have access to the data needed for that.

I can only say that noone i know who has left the game did so because of the c-store.

Actually they left because:

It got stale and boring - lag of content
The whole "untrekness" of the experience that is sto.
Appaled by gameplay.
Outrage over the referral/Galaxy X thing. But they came back when it was available in the c store.

noone left because there wee things in the c-store. Not even when pre order stuff got available. noone cared for that.
Nobody has access to the data except for Cryptari and they're not spilling the beans. While it's not a big of a reason for people to leave or stop playing, the C-Store can still be a contributing factor. Just because nobody you know has left because of it doesn't mean that there are people who HAVE left based purely on the money store. Neither of us has the raw data to confirm nor deny it.

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I salute you for making use of your most powerful tool as a customer: you wallet, and keeping it shut.
As a lifer, the C-Store is the ONLY way for me to vote with my wallet. Maybe if the devs make the game better and more fun to play (for me) I MIGHT open my wallet briefly and buy a couple items as a "good job". Until then, it's staying shut.

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You are ill informed.

A Free 2 play game based on MT's LIVES of grind and the consumption of items that will make a horrible gameplay experoience good., (xp boosters ans all incarnation of speedbumps for the play. up to and including items, weapons etc.)
They key there is that all those items get consumed on use. They have to be bought again and again - good games give the items lifetimes that count down every time you actually play - making it into some sort of "pay per play" subscription where you really only pay for the time you actually spend playing.
"Bad" F2P games will have items that have a set date-do-date lifetime, independent of you actual usage times.

STO is really not geared toward that kind of mechanic. There is no "need" to buy from the c-store and you cant viable remake the game to fit the scheme.

And then you also have the issue of Star Trek being a ****** expensive License.

F2P games can survive because the cost of running them are rather low. You do not have 3 companys involved who ALL want their share.

CBS.
Atari.
Cryptic.

Thats 3 companies who all want money out of this. F2P cannot cover that.

Currently, the c-store is indeed a tool a to sell us more doodads. Its like DLC.

Welcome to the new world. Like it or not, its here to stay. Vote with your wallet.

Go to cinema instead. Or Theater. Go see a game of whatever. Save the money.
I agree that STO is in no shape for it to go F2P in any form anytime soon. It just doesn't have the infrastructure as it currently stands. However, going F2P is not the death knell that some people think it would be. Look at how Turbine has been handling their games and tell me it's not a viable alternative to a purely sub-based game. If Cryptic changes their model and adapts the game for a hybrid model, then I could conceivably see it making them MORE money than the subscription-with-mt-store system they currently have in place. It just won't happen for a few years. It took DDO and LOTRO a long time for them to be converted into a F2P hybrid system. If I see it before, say the two year anniversary (at a bare minimum), THEN I'll start to worry.

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But do not come here and doom and gloom all day because seriously we do not give a shiite.
I'm NOT crying doom-and-gloom here. I'm actually not against the C-Store as a concept, but rather how Cryptic has been handling it. If they make everything attainable in-game by some means, then I'll shut up...or at least not be as vocal about it. I've gotten over the pre-order mess, the RAF fiasco, and now the test tribbles. It's not as big of a deal for me as it once was, but I'd like to see something given back in return for our support.
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# 74
10-01-2010, 10:31 PM
There is nothing in the C-Store that is a game changer save for visual appeal. Yes there are items and characters that offer unique buffs and/or bonuses, but nothing "leading edge."

I have yet to say, "My tribble saved the day in that engagement." I have played with and without the bonus items and any advantage they give to gameplay is nigh perceptable.


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My wife stopped playing even before I did; and she is relatively easy to entertain.
My wife would kill me if I posted something like this.
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# 75
10-05-2010, 12:17 AM
well like op im bit ****ed of bout the c store ive startet also with lifetime sub in the hope not to trow any more money in. when c store opend fully i feeled sick like the c store is something you expect in free to play games like navy field. in such games its ok for me to spend money on lil extras like some more xps or a bit better wepon. but not in a full price game i trowed 400 euro in alrdy just to play.
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# 76
10-05-2010, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Aris
There's content in the C-store? Where are they hiding it? All I see are ships and costumes.
Ships, ship skins, uniforms, Tribbles, and playable races are ALL game content. And although I believe no game content should be in the C-Store unless you can also obtain it by playing the game, the C-Store needs to stay. The more people willing to pay above and beyond the subscription fee the better. It's keep the lights on without me having to spend any of MY money.
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# 77
10-05-2010, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Galtrovan View Post
Ships, ship skins, uniforms, Tribbles, and playable races are ALL game content. And although I believe no game content should be in the C-Store unless you can also obtain it by playing the game, the C-Store needs to stay. The more people willing to pay above and beyond the subscription fee the better. It's keep the lights on without me having to spend any of MY money.
Agreed in pretty much every respect. Let those buy the content (and, yes, EVERYTHING in the C-Store is content, just of different types) who want it now...and let those EARN the content in-game for those who want to feel the accomplishment. Either way, I see it as a win-win scenario for everyone involved...except for the die-hard C-Store haters, at any rate.
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# 78 CONTENT is crunch, not fluff
10-05-2010, 05:51 PM
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Ships, ship skins, uniforms, Tribbles, and playable races are ALL game content.
I believe that Aris' definition of content in the post was actual crunch. I'll agree that ship classes (e.g. Fed Refits), playable races (due to traits), and maybe maybe tribbles could be considered in the crunch category. But since when do ship skins or uniforms provide any kind of gameplay change? And I don't mean appearance, but something worthwhile like a buff, debuff, ability, stat change, or anything else that may tip the battle in your favour.

But agreed. Keep the C-Store and let those who wanna pay, pay. As long as they're still releasing new missions and what-not under the subscription fee and not as puchasable content, I'm cool.

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# 79
10-05-2010, 11:11 PM
Cryptic could just as well NOT let anyone get any of those items that were originally exclusives for certain circumstances. Anything that I miss out on, for the example the borg tribbles (Mainly because I like collecting the little furballs), I just waited for them to appear in the C-Store, bought them, bing, bang, boom, I'm a happy camper. But from what I'm seeing, all you who complain about the C-Store just want everything for free, so let me spin this on ya'll, what should someone like me who has no problem paying for something I want be punished with closing the C-Store because you want something for free?
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# 80
10-06-2010, 03:42 AM
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A Targ breeding feature would be a more appropriate idea than allowing Klingons to have tribbles. There should be Targ of Borg, Fluidic Space Targ, Chilled Targ, Photonic Targ, and others.
A Targ of Borg would be exceedingly wonderful and a Cryo Targ would be, dare I say, 'cool'?
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