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# 21
10-12-2010, 12:43 AM
I thought it was like any other forum where they ask you to list a "Handle."
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# 22
10-12-2010, 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Thlaylie View Post
I know you are a Klingon and you would be an example of the delusioned I mentioned.

If anyone needs to step away it would be the delusioned.

EVERY component of my post can be proved by the OP merely trying a few PvP's.
I agree with Roach, and while I do have 2 KDF toons, I mainly play on my Feds..

Fed ships are generally superior to their KDF counterparts..


The Defiant Refit is hands down the best Escort in the game
The Starcruiser is hands down the best healingcruiser in the game
The Excelsior Refit is hands down the best DPS cruiser in the game
The Science vessels are.. Well only on Fed side

Now, the Feds advantages shipwise isnt exactly a huge issue.. Nothing a good team cant overcome anyways.


The only thing KDF have compared to you, that are OPd (read: more skilled) are their players.. Or maybe you are UPd (read: quite pathetic at PvP)?

Seriously.. Im getting fed up with your constant complaining and whining about this "imbalance", learn to PvP or stop queing up.
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# 23
10-12-2010, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MelineAaele View Post
I agree with Roach, and while I do have 2 KDF toons, I mainly play on my Feds..

Fed ships are generally superior to their KDF counterparts..


The Defiant Refit is hands down the best Escort in the game
The Starcruiser is hands down the best healingcruiser in the game
The Excelsior Refit is hands down the best DPS cruiser in the game
The Science vessels are.. Well only on Fed side

Now, the Feds advantages shipwise isnt exactly a huge issue.. Nothing a good team cant overcome anyways.


The only thing KDF have compared to you, that are OPd (read: more skilled) are their players.. Or maybe you are UPd (read: quite pathetic at PvP)?

Seriously.. Im getting fed up with your constant complaining and whining about this "imbalance", learn to PvP or stop queing up.
Here Here!! Well said and true. The constant complaints have gotten old.
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# 24
10-12-2010, 12:21 PM
Duh Luz i a nul.

I manly fly a Fed and noticed how much better the Klingon ships were handling, so

I made a klingon Alt.

I was right.

Not only is a Klingon BoP superior to anything Fed, it comes with "Universal BO Slots!" and is fully maxed out at the time you get it. You also get 3 BO's right off the bat. so

Yah, Klingon ships ARE superior, regardless of the delusions most Klingons have.

Why was I not deluded?
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# 25
10-12-2010, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkillusion
Go back to eve or find another game STO is crap.
Lack of details renders this comment pointless, Darkillusion. If you have an issue with the game, try explaining it logically like others do instead of just a short little thing like this that tells the OP nothing.
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# 26
10-12-2010, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Thlaylie View Post
Duh Luz i a nul.

I manly fly a Fed and noticed how much better the Klingon ships were handling, so

I made a klingon Alt.

I was right.

Not only is a Klingon BoP superior to anything Fed, it comes with "Universal BO Slots!" and is fully maxed out at the time you get it. You also get 3 BO's right off the bat. so

Yah, Klingon ships ARE superior, regardless of the delusions most Klingons have.

Why was I not deluded?
So take it into PvP and see how it goes.
FWIW, I suck equally against Fed and Klingons in PvP. I don't think it is a lack of skill on my part, but I play mostly in PuGs. While PuG players may all be well skilled, take that PuG against an organized Fleet group using Teamspeak or Ventrilo and you can see that you will have a clear disadvantage.
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# 27
10-12-2010, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Thlaylie View Post
Not only is a Klingon BoP superior to anything Fed, it comes with "Universal BO Slots!" and is fully maxed out at the time you get it. You also get 3 BO's right off the bat. so

Yah, Klingon ships ARE superior, regardless of the delusions most Klingons have.

Why was I not deluded?
Klinks start at level 5, not level 1. By the time a Fed is 5 he should also has 3 BOs and upgraded gear. You're comparing an advanced character to a starting character.
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# 28
10-12-2010, 11:57 PM
That's my point.

I see many many QQ's from Klingons that are wronged by Cryptic's unfairness yet they start with an advanced character.

I do see your point, but none of you will ever convince anyone but a fellow delusional that a BoP can't out turn anything the Feds have.

Battlecloak is so broken it's laughable. It doesn't even follow Trek rules. Without a deflector shield the cloak can not form, yet Klingons routinely pop BC and run away to return shortly at full strength. Pop a shield restoring power so there's even a bit of shield there and I'd buy it, but I've had a BoP down to a sliver of hull and whoops BC! Be right back.

To the OP:

If you don't mind fighting unfair fights then this game won't bother you. If you do, you need to know that everything in this game is going to fight unfairly. From the PvE enemies with their numerous holds to the PvP enemies with their numerous holds, you will not see a fair clean fight.

Fair and clean being defined as a fight without holds.

This game also shoves the fact it's an MMO in your face at all times. You basically need a fleet to reliably PvP. This game should feature the Borg instead of the Federation as it's showcase species as that's what an MMO is all about. If you routinely need 4 other guys to follow you to the bathroom and help, then you won't mind this game. "We are a MMORG, you will be assimilated."
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# 29
10-13-2010, 02:57 AM
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That's my point.
I do see your point, but none of you will ever convince anyone but a fellow delusional that a BoP can't out turn anything the Feds have.
It does turn slightly faster. It also has one less BO (or, depending on the level, less hull). Most MMO balancing tends to default to a rock-paper-scissors variant. Successful PvPers learn their advantages and disadvantages, and strategise accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Thlaylie View Post
Battlecloak is so broken it's laughable. It doesn't even follow Trek rules. Without a deflector shield the cloak can not form, yet Klingons routinely pop BC and run away to return shortly at full strength. Pop a shield restoring power so there's even a bit of shield there and I'd buy it, but I've had a BoP down to a sliver of hull and whoops BC! Be right back.
This sounds very similar to the issues with rogue cloaking earlier in WoW's history. There will be fine-tuning balances, no doubt. Meanwhile there are a number of Fed abilities, like tractor beam for example, that prevent cloaking.



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Originally Posted by Thlaylie View Post
If you don't mind fighting unfair fights then this game won't bother you. If you do, you need to know that everything in this game is going to fight unfairly. From the PvE enemies with their numerous holds to the PvP enemies with their numerous holds, you will not see a fair clean fight.

Fair and clean being defined as a fight without holds.
Uh... are you descending into trolling, cos this is just silly...? You see, both sides have these abilities, and you're supposed to figure out how to use them at the right time, to your advantage. If you're looking for a twitch game with perpetual running around, I heartily recommend Quake.
You were one of those people who complained about stuns and fears in WoW, I'm guessing?

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Originally Posted by Thlaylie View Post
This game also shoves the fact it's an MMO in your face at all times. You basically need a fleet to reliably PvP. This game should feature the Borg instead of the Federation as it's showcase species as that's what an MMO is all about. If you routinely need 4 other guys to follow you to the bathroom and help, then you won't mind this game. "We are a MMORG, you will be assimilated."
Okay, now I'm convinced you're trolling... but just in case you're not:

'MMO' is an acronym for 'Massively Multiplayer Online'. The idea that lots of other people are going to be involved is rather central to the whole premise. Again, if you're not really happy with this idea, can I suggest the many excellent single-player games on the market. I recommend Steam as a delivery choice, if you're not happy with physical shops and the like.
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# 30
10-13-2010, 01:00 PM
No not trolling.

Several abilities that PvE enemies have you can not have or counter for that matter.

Starlions and a few others have this super shield that prevents all damage. I actually look forward to the battleships in PvE as they don't have this or the FBP spam of the Sci ships.

No one has the various holds that ground PvE enemies have and they all have them, Borg have a tendril, Romulans have this force block thing, Klingons have the energy chains, Breen have their freezing thing.

As for MMO's, Captain Kirk could never have prevailed in the STO universe as no one ship can handle another without support. Looking in from the outside it is really quite cloying, and I believe it's the reason many people avoid MMO's. It is mine, I'm here because I was hoping Trek could overcome that. (I never played WoW)

I play many Steam games and what makes them superior to STO is that you don't have to multiplayer. STO offers a reward for multiplaying (PvP) because they believe that there would not be enough people to play against otherwise.

In other words, they are forcing people to PvP for the rewards so they can keep the PvP people happy. I find this amoral. The best PvP matches would be against fellow PvP affectionadoes, but cryptic just wants to keep those ques full of cannon fodder to feed the PvP'rs.
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