I haven't seen any indication that the Nebula has a 12. I think he's mistaken. The last official word was that it was raised to 8.

I think it needs the extra console spot in engineering so you can throw a an extra turn rate console in there.

Tell that to my science BoP.

Also, with a 12 base turn rate, the ship WOULD be able to bring it's nose to bear.

The ship doesn't have a 12 turn so your point is moot. If your BoP had an 8 turn and 4/2 it too would suck.

Err..

I wasn't mistaken, I was misunderstood. I suppose I could have been clearer:

Intrepid (Voyager) Retrofit:

3-3 weapon slots
12 turn rate
ablative turtle mode

So, I was calling the Intrepid-R the turtle, and clearly the reference was lost. So, now all I am asking for from the new ship is:

4-2 weapon slots
12 turn rate

Does not seem like a stretch really. Amusingly enough, I don't want a WORSE ship than one already easily available, nor do I foresee paying anything to get one.

....are you a bit dense? Did I not say that the ship required BOTH to be useful? Of course it doesn't have a 12 turn rate. It ALSO doesn't have 4-2. However, the statement was that with BOTH together, the setup would be viable, and what's more, it would be powerful.

I also gave the example of a science bop to show a science ship that typically runs 125 weapon power. I think NOT having an option for a ship that can do that and not suck takes a lot from the gameplay of the federation.

I was irked about the TR as well until I stepped back and looked at the concept. The Intrepid R is a combat medic, able to fight and heal while shrugging off some damage. The Nebula is pure support. Revealing cloaked ships at a long distance and throwing heals.

Keeping in mind that Klingon science is an oxymoron I'll only say that you can already run a SV at 125 weapons: 100 weapons, 9 proficiency, 5 PI engine, and +11 from 2 consoles. The difference here is that all Klink ships are built for war while Feds specialize.

i wouldnt mind a light carrier.

something similar to the british invincible class. it should act as a cloak detector plus carry a few fighter style ships. lighter armor than a klingon cruiser and carries less.

it would be an interesting ship nonetheless.