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# 101
10-29-2010, 08:27 AM
This certainly is helpfull, but maybe there's too much stuff going on if you have to use Keybinds to play the game.

Maybe just simplify the game so it relies on Tactical Skill instead of Buffs and DeBuffs in such extreme amounts they require keybinds?
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# 102
10-29-2010, 01:11 PM
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# 103
10-30-2010, 05:29 AM
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# 104
10-30-2010, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Thlaylie View Post
The game was designed to use the mouse and keybinds may be considered hacking. I'm not trolling and am every bit as serious as you.

It's real nice that you can dismiss my opinion with a trolling accusation which in itself I consider trolling.
Prove it - keybinds are an instrumental part of EVERY GAME. The fact that this thread has been STICKIED instead of closed is further evidence that the dev's not only condone these actions, but support them and want people to use more of them.

This is not a political thread. This is a serios thread for people that need help with keybinds.
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# 105
10-30-2010, 06:45 AM
Dang looks like I'll have to go into keybinds more. TBH though I used to win a lot before they were put into play by a larger group of people simply through sheer effort and timing. Gotta up my game with this though :/ ah well

In any case why isn't there a large database of all keybinds for the betterment of the populace. No, sifting through sto threads doesnt count
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# 106
10-30-2010, 08:02 AM
Omg... took me ages to finally find the real treasure. Here it is. This thread is epic!

Ok, I just started pvp'ing (thank you faithborn for bringing the right role for me into my mind) and maybe all of you remeber how this was when it all started. I'm not using any macros at all right now, since I didn't know anything about them. But here opens the portal to a bigger reality!

I could use some basic information first, if you don't mind.

First of all I need to get a feeling for what I'll actually want to be macroed. I'm running a lot of skills with two copies. Would it be a good idea to chain them all, in order to halve the keys needed? Sounds like a good idea to me and should be possible without questioning. So chaining ET3 for example freeing one keybind.

Since I'm pvp'ing, shield management reached a whole new lvl of attention and I'm not yet sure how to handle this problem properly. Distributing shields while hammering the fire all phasers button is a nice idea, what else could I bind it to? Or should I just get used to having 3 keybinds for the most needed shield actions (like distribute, aft shields, etc.)?

I'd really love to see some kind of summary of the keybinding of the more experienced players. Just to get an idea what else could be useful, since I'm quite sure there are damn useful things, I don't even think off. You might as well leave out your finest tricks, since you're the pros and worked hard to figure them out, I won't ask you to give this advantage to everyone ^^

Really nice thread overall, I'm ashamed I just discovered it yet. Would have made life so much easier.
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# 107
10-30-2010, 11:28 PM
First off let me address the above. Keybinds have been in the game since the beginning. They were programmed into it. If you esc out to the options and got to the ... wait for it ... KEYBINDS tab. You will realize that you have been using keybinds since you first put finger to keyboard. There is no trickery involved.

nuff said. Now ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by M4triX
Omg... took me ages to finally find the real treasure. Here it is. This thread is epic!

glad you made it

Let me preface everything with a primer: Your trays are numbered 0 - 9 starting with the first row (the # keys) and scrolling up. Your powers are number 0 - 9 going left to right. So, with this, the #1 key is 0 0; the CTRL+6 combo is 1 5; so on. Finally, you CANNOT make an I WIN button. Every power that is bound to a key requires that key to be touched each time for each sequential power to be activated, e.g. tap, fire phasers, tap, fire torps, tap, EPtS, tap, Fire on my mark, you got the idea.


First of all I need to get a feeling for what I'll actually want to be macroed. I'm running a lot of skills with two copies. Would it be a good idea to chain them all, in order to halve the keys needed? Sounds like a good idea to me and should be possible without questioning. So chaining ET3 for example freeing one keybind.

Two copies of many heals are ideal to be chained on one key. I currently run ET1x2 or 1 & 2 off one key. If I, or a mate, need a heal, I hit one key and poof there's the best heal possible. It goes something like this:

/bind 8 +TrayExecByTray 0 7 $$ +TrayExecByTray 1 7

Reading this the first TEBT is my #8 key and the second TEBT is my crtl+8 key. If you place ET2 on your 8 key and ET1 on your ctrl+8 key you can get what you are looking for. If one has been activated you have to wait for the shared cooldown for the other one to be available. First keypress activates the ET2. ET2 goes into cooldown (30s) and ET1 goes into shared cooldown (15s). If you press the key immediately there after, nothing will happen as both powers are in cooldown. After 15s ET1 is available for use.


Since I'm pvp'ing, shield management reached a whole new lvl of attention and I'm not yet sure how to handle this problem properly. Distributing shields while hammering the fire all phasers button is a nice idea, what else could I bind it to? Or should I just get used to having 3 keybinds for the most needed shield actions (like distribute, aft shields, etc.)?

Shield management is a bear to say the least. I've simplified my life with chaining EPtS3 and EPtS2 or EptS1. I have created a keybind that uses my space bar to fire all phasers and activate the first EPtS that is available. As with other EPtX there is a 30s cooldown. Everytime I press my spacebar my beam weapons fire off and the next EPtS is activated. If one is in cooldown, it just fires the weaps. It goes something like this:

/bind space GenSendMessage HUD_Root FirePhasers $$ +TrayExecByTray 3 4 $$ +TrayExecByTray 3 5

Here +TrayExecByTray 3 4 is the 5th power on the 4th row (yes, you can use them to clear out the lower trays) and that is EPtS3
+TrayExecByTray 3 5 is the 6th power on the 4th row and that is EPtS2

As above, If I press the spacebar the game fires all my beam weapons. Then I press it again and it goes to the TEBT 3 4. Another press and it goes to TEBT 3 5. As long as the cooldown is finished the first available power will activate.


I'd really love to see some kind of summary of the keybinding of the more experienced players. Just to get an idea what else could be useful, since I'm quite sure there are damn useful things, I don't even think off. You might as well leave out your finest tricks, since you're the pros and worked hard to figure them out, I won't ask you to give this advantage to everyone ^^

The above are real keybinds that I use; the space bar has been edited for length (I've got 9 powers atached to it.) Here are a few more

4 "+TrayExecByTray 0 0 $$ +TrayExecByTray 0 1 $$ +TrayExecByTray 0 3"
This one activates my Aux battery (0 0) then is my EPtA (0 1) then my Tachyon Beam (0 3)

5 "+TrayExecByTray 0 2 $$ +TrayExecByTray 1 4 $$ +TrayExecByTray 0 4"
This one activates my EPtW (0 2) then my Beam Overlaod (1 4) then another Beam Overload (0 4)

F5 "GenJailAdd Hud_Weapons_Root $$ GenJailAdd Hud_Bridgecrew_Trays_Root" (This one is a little gem.) Since I run my power tray with all three row showing I loose my bridge officer tray. Since I pulled all my weapons out of the tray I can't see when my torps are ready. This changes that by first adding an HUD element that has my weapons *HUD_Weapons_Root" and puts my bridge officer tray back on screen "Hud_Bridgecrew_Trays_Root".


Really nice thread overall, I'm ashamed I just discovered it yet. Would have made life so much easier.

Don't worry about it; you are in good company. It took me 3 months to find out about keybinds and another month to figure it out.
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# 108
10-31-2010, 05:45 AM
Thanks for your reply.
I figuered out how to use this stuff quite good already, didn't have a clue about it in STO but I macroed a lot in other mmos, so I just had to adapt to the syntax etc.

Dear god, your F5 binding is epic. I was going to complain about just that (no room in the 3 bars for weapons) and now look what you've got. Damn I love you now!

A lot of your stuff is nice but doesn't suit my needs. I'm a "faithborn disciple", so I'm not that into carelessly spamming selfdefense. But I see the potential of doing so, maybe I'll look into it if I pvp with another toon.

Well, absolutely nice and helpful post overall. Thanks a lot, dear sir!
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# 109
10-31-2010, 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by M4triX
I'm a "faithborn disciple", so I'm not that into carelessly spamming selfdefense.
The self defense you call spamming (chained EPtS) I call maximizing shield resistace.

Quote:
Originally Posted by M4triX
Well, absolutely nice and helpful post overall. Thanks a lot, dear sir!
Anytime. Glad I could help. If you need more I watch this thread.
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# 110
11-01-2010, 11:47 AM
The only caveat about binds like this:

/bind space GenSendMessage HUD_Root FirePhasers $$ +TrayExecByTray 3 4 $$ +TrayExecByTray 3 5

is that, as they get longer, there is a chance for it to simply ignore keys (i.e. NEITHER ET might fire.)

Of course, the answer is simple - more spacebar!
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