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# 511
11-17-2010, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Leviathan99
I assume we're given the Admiral ranks partly in a nod to Kirk from the films and partly to justify how many ships and how much latitude we're given.

I'd personally like to see the rank beyond Fleet Admiral be...

Fleet Captain. I think we should have a sortof rite of passage at that point where we flagrantly disobey (bad) orders for the greater good, perhaps jeopardizing everything to save a canon character... and have to steal our own ship back as part of it. And like Kirk, get busted down to Captain, albeit a Fleet Captain. You could even have NPC chatter about how a lot of the new admirals were running afoul of Starfleet brass and how brevet promotions had led to too many admirals anyway.

That way, we get unofficial respect for being former admirals and a bit of notoreity for "breaking the rules" and the game goes back to the more manageable idea of endgame captains.
I kind of like this idea. I also posted somewhere at one point in time that it would be more "believable" if, when we're being promoted from Captain LV 10, we can choose our career path (or at least define it more). We can remain a Captain in rank, we can accept promotion to Rear Admiral or even Fleet Captain, or we can pursue in more detail the FDC. We could still level and our missions would be assigned accordingly and if later down the line when we're up for promotion again, we can be given the same choice.

Once we're able to promote our BOs to First Officer and then Captain, we can then be given an option of retiring.

I think it would give it more of a "real-life" feel.
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# 512
11-17-2010, 10:19 AM
I still maintain that the answer is to separate ranks from skill levels. You can still have a minimum skill level requirement for the ranks but make it optional as to whether or not you want to be promoted (rank-wise). As the game moves into the future we're going to need to continue to increase in skill levels, but the number of ranks is already ridiculous and will only increase in absurdity if we continue to tie our levels to them.

They really need to make a separate game for Admirals and Generals anyway. The game we're playing right now from Ensign to Vice Admiral is actually still a "Captain" game, in command of a single vessel and crew, going out and doing things on our own. For example, I definitely do not feel like I'm playing a Vice Admiral, the game I'm playing feels just like I'm playing a level 51 Captain (which btw I do not define as good or bad, just acknowledging that the game at level 51 is no different than the game at level 31). As an aside, why are our Admirals still taking orders from Lieutenants? All our starfleet mission contacts should be Admirals.

An "Admiral" game needs to be more strategic, in command of multiple units and/or resources and have a larger scope than what we do with our single ships. Honestly, an "Admiral" game should play a little more like an RTS, where you command from a starbase or flagship over multiple units against large forces and fronts, controlling territory and resources. Those mission contacts that we have in the "Captain" game (that should be Admirals)? We should be more like them to the (probably NPC) ships in our fleet.

Also, as this type of game may be more for some than others, we should have the option to "step down" from being an Admiral if we find that the "Captain" game is more to our liking.
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# 513
11-17-2010, 10:21 AM
I think just giving us 70 levels for captain would be ok with me. So we would be promoted to Captain and instead of TEN grades we have 70, for example. I'm not strict on 70 but more than 10 would be better. The captain rank is important so I think once you get there it should be hard or in other words, take a lot time before you make it to RA. Once we make it to RA we would feel like we accomplished something. I know I would. Keep the grades the same for all the other ranks but instead of starting as ensign begin as a cadet.

EXAMPLE: You have one more test in order to graduate. You must lead a team into a situation where you can either chose to use force or be diplomatic. The mission can be failed so you would have to restart it. Of course the situation is In a Holodeck. During that mission you recieve the tutorial for ground combat. The space combat tutorial would be if after you finish the ground portion you have to beam up and captain a ship against an enemy in which is a little overwhelming and your ship is not in the best condition due to combat. After you complete the mission you have to attend a graduation. You complete that and then you are given your first assighnment. IDK what. Something that would be in the realm of possibility for a fresh young ensign that just graduated from the academy.
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I have seen it several times in discussion; when you hit Adm (and there should be a Commodore btw there were several in the original series) you can be given an option of commanding star bases, or Star Fleet postings to command. Just food for thought as STO grows
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# 515
11-21-2010, 08:37 AM
Right its a bit bulky now.. The Diplomatic Missions Drag out your whole rank title.. When common Military protocol do not delegate from the Admirals ranks unless you hold a major command

C-I-C -PAC C-I-C- Atlantic ect. or CNO- Chief of Naval Operations. Or The Rank is A duty position like a Fleet Command.. Then the Title holder is announced as Commander Pacific 7th Fleet Arriving.. Or Commander Carrier Division 10 Arriving.. In the American Service ..

So Every Flag Officer is Admiral or General .. So Gen Patton 3rd Army Commanding would be a Signature block and brevity code thing. Gen MAcArthur, Pacific Theater Commanding.. Gen Eisenhower European Theater Commanding..

For Diplomatic You see as the Military rank on a military vessel superseded by duty position.. In Embassy Military Attaches.. But, With the Duality of Diplomatic Rank and Military Rank.. You should be addressed as Envoy when serving in that role. Or as the Military Aide de Camp for a senior leader on a ground mission

If you are escorting a dignitary in Uniform from the protocol office the status of the guest decrees a officer to act as escort show some new to their banquet chair.
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# 516
11-21-2010, 12:22 PM
To use an analogy, you wouldn't see the Coach of a hockey team out there on the ice, playing the game. An Admiral is like the coach. He plans the game and lets others do it for him.
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# 517
11-21-2010, 03:16 PM
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To use an analogy, you wouldn't see the Coach of a hockey team out there on the ice, playing the game. An Admiral is like the coach. He plans the game and lets others do it for him.
You would if he was a player coach - of which there are many.
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# 518
11-21-2010, 08:28 PM
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To use an analogy, you wouldn't see the Coach of a hockey team out there on the ice, playing the game. An Admiral is like the coach. He plans the game and lets others do it for him.
Tell that to Kirk in the first few Star Trek movies. Tell that to Riker from All Good Things. How about Admiral Hansen vs the Borg at Wolf 359, Admiral Ross during the Dominion War. Etc, Etc. Admirals may not generally be in the field but there are plenty of examples where they are. And again, it's 2409 and the rules have changed with all the multifront fighting the Federation is having to deal with. The rank of Admiral just doesn't have the same weight it used to.
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# 519
11-21-2010, 09:55 PM
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Tell that to Kirk in the first few Star Trek movies. Tell that to Riker from All Good Things. How about Admiral Hansen vs the Borg at Wolf 359, Admiral Ross during the Dominion War. Etc, Etc. Admirals may not generally be in the field but there are plenty of examples where they are. And again, it's 2409 and the rules have changed with all the multifront fighting the Federation is having to deal with. The rank of Admiral just doesn't have the same weight it used to.
Kirk's actions in the movies were isolated instances, not his regular duties. Same with Hansen and the others. They assumed command of a fleet in a singular situation or in a war (when Admirals do resume the command chair).
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# 520 Character ranks beyond RA
11-22-2010, 07:04 AM
is there any idea about when the level caps will be increased higher than vice admiral.
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