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# 371
11-29-2010, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by reilly2040 View Post
Admittedly, from an immersion point of view it does get broken a bit when a new ship is first released, and suddenly ESD is being swarmed by Excelsior/Nebula class ships, but that quietens down soon enough.
The only thing that I find "immersion" breaking are some of the stupid ship and player names I see floating by. Even Cryptic's designs (some of which I don't care for) aren't immersion breaking to me. They mostly seem to belong despite my preferences. Otherwise, if it's Star Trek then it's all good. Bring on more nostalgia!
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# 372
11-29-2010, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Cosmic_One View Post
I have no desire to PvP, not with an NX nor with my Fleet escort. And I can't imagine anyone who likes Star Trek would believe that even Kirk, in his TOS Constitution would stand any chance in PvP against a ship with 145 years of advanced tech design.
Actually he probably would becuase he's that good a captain as opposed to someone who hadn't been a captain for several years (I mean hell in the Mirror Univere Saga Mirror Kirk who equals the captain ability of Prime Kirk beat an uberpowerfull Excelsior with his outdated Mirror Enterprise by being smarter than Excelsior's overconfident captain), people shouldn't be penalized just becuase their better then you at PVP which is the only reason their TOS Connie or NX kicked your mighty Soverign's ass.

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Originally Posted by Pattypuppet
I think a lot of folks, immersed completely in their nerdish ways forget the obvious. Its a game. When you get out of your car in real life do you see a load screen? This should be your first clue that this game is not real. Secondly, Star trek is classified as science fiction, meaning its made up stuff. So making rational arguements about realism in a fictional work is just silly.

The fact is, within Star Trek, there are some things which are very iconic. The ships of the tv series fit this category. Hundreds of millions of people around the world recognize the Tos Enterprise,

Ive been watching Star Trek for nearly 40 years. I've seen all the tv episodes, movies, and have read hundreds of the novels. I have four big boxes of action figures and other memorbilia of Star Trek I have collected. I did it because it was fun and I enjoyed it. By the same token, I would enjoy flying a Tos Enterprise retrofit.

I should also add i got the Lifetime sub simply because this game was Star Trek and how much Ive enjoyed it over the years. So the idea that my fellow nerds and geeks, and fellow Trekers and Trekies would deprive me of some fun and enjoyment because it is somehow incongrous with their sense reality superimposed over a work of fiction is very disheartening.



*sorry for typos and grammar, this is from my ipad and I already wasted enough time writing this.
I see you had your first run in with anal trekkies.
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# 373
11-29-2010, 08:11 AM
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Actually he probably would becuase he's that good a captain as opposed to someone who hadn't been a captain for several years (I mean hell in the Mirror Univere Saga Mirror Kirk who equals the captain ability of Prime Kirk beat an uberpowerfull Excelsior with his outdated Mirror Enterprise by being smarter than Excelsior's overconfident captain), people shouldn't be penalized just becuase their better then you at PVP which is the only reason their TOS Connie or NX kicked your mighty Soverign's ass.
You talking about the Captain Kirk who needed to have Spock explain to him that Khan only has 2-dimensional thinking so that he could defeat him?

And let's please not use comic book stories as any type of proof of canon qualifications. I love Kirk as much as the next ST geek, and I'd bet very good money that he and his Ent A could defeat the pants off of Sulu in his Excelsior, but the Ent A's phasers wouldn't even scratch the shields of a Sovereign, let alone the weaker phasers on a Connie being able to do it.
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# 374
11-29-2010, 08:40 AM
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You talking about the Captain Kirk who needed to have Spock explain to him that Khan only has 2-dimensional thinking so that he could defeat him?

And let's please not use comic book stories as any type of proof of canon qualifications. I love Kirk as much as the next ST geek, and I'd bet very good money that he and his Ent A could defeat the pants off of Sulu in his Excelsior, but the Ent A's phasers wouldn't even scratch the shields of a Sovereign, let alone the weaker phasers on a Connie being able to do it.
odd that this discussion is still so much alive. agree with that posted above me here. They wouldnt want to use the hull of a horrid old ship and try and upgrade it just because some captains are in love with the poster of kirk in their ready room. maybe you can get a trophy to hug. But in my opinion the connie has no place in the higher ranks of this game. im pretty sure at least 60% would agree with that opinion, given that in general there are a lot of crazies online who would just love love love to see the most crazy design in the game, and prob jump up and down at the thought of being able to fly a star wars star destroyer in this game.... ill bet 1000$ on that.
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# 375
11-29-2010, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Cosmic_One View Post
And let's please not use comic book stories as any type of proof of canon qualifications. I love Kirk as much as the next ST geek, and I'd bet very good money that he and his Ent A could defeat the pants off of Sulu in his Excelsior, but the Ent A's phasers wouldn't even scratch the shields of a Sovereign, let alone the weaker phasers on a Connie being able to do it.
The fact Kirk could take a stolen, beat-up Klingon Bird of Prey back in time, find a pair of humpback whales, bring them forward in time, and have them tell a probe bent on destroying Earth what to go do with itself proves that what we may all find ridiculous is nothing more than a days work for Cap'n Kirk n crew... If the writers wanted the Kirk's Ent A to kick the crap out of Picard's Ent E, they could have made it happen.

The point here is than in a fictional universe anything is a possibility. There's nothing saying a very wealthy captain couldn't salvage an antique starship and soup it up with all the modern goodies. In much the same way antique cars are outfitted with ultra-high performance engines and components in the real world, I could see in a fictional universe some captain doing the same with his antique starship.

Sure, it's a stretch of the imagination but honestly Star Trek Canon has caused me to stretch my imagination much farther than that. There's countless examples of ridiculous things happening and some eccentric captain obsessed with an old starship is hardly this unimaginable, game breaking concept that many here are making it out to be.

Anything can be made to work in a fictional universe and hopefully the dev team not only realizes that but embraces that fact. You don't have to like a TOS Connie or NX, but to suggest one being retrofitted with current technology is this completely ridiculous concept when compared to what we've already seen in Star Trek Canon is simply... ridiculous
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# 376
11-29-2010, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Trueheart
The fact Kirk could take a stolen, beat-up Klingon Bird of Prey back in time, find a pair of humpback whales, bring them forward in time, and have them tell a probe bent on destroying Earth what to go do with itself proves that what we may all find ridiculous is nothing more than a days work for Cap'n Kirk n crew... If the writers wanted the Kirk's Ent A to kick the crap out of Picard's Ent E, they could have made it happen.
The point here is than in a fictional universe anything is a possibility. There's nothing saying a very wealthy captain couldn't salvage an antique starship and soup it up with all the modern goodies. In much the same way antique cars are outfitted with ultra-high performance engines and components in the real world, I could see in a fictional universe some captain doing the same with his antique starship.

Sure, it's a stretch of the imagination but honestly Star Trek Canon has caused me to stretch my imagination much farther than that. There's countless examples of ridiculous things happening and some eccentric captain obsessed with an old starship is hardly this unimaginable, game breaking concept that many here are making it out to be.

Anything can be made to work in a fictional universe and hopefully the dev team not only realizes that but embraces that fact. You don't have to like a TOS Connie or NX, but to suggest one being retrofitted with current technology is this completely ridiculous concept when compared to what we've already seen in Star Trek Canon is simply... ridiculous
/agreed
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# 377
11-29-2010, 09:06 AM
I guess everyone forgot that none of us is Captain Kirk and so the "Captain Kirk could solo Picard" argument really has no bearing on this discussion.
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# 378
11-29-2010, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Trueheart
The point here is than in a fictional universe anything is a possibility.
I think this is the biggest issue between the two groups. The fact that it's fictional universe doesn't mean it doesn't have its own laws of consistency. Kirk can't sprout wings and fly just because it's a fictional universe. It was established that humans are human and they stay that way throughout all the time periods - that's what makes the conflicts with the various Eugenics characters interesting.

The TOS Constitution devastated NX era ships with ease. You'd see the same type of thing if someone took a Sovereign against TOS era ships. Why? Tech and science advances. That is the law of consistency 726 episodes and 11 movies established for the IP. To ignore that is just bad storytelling.
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# 379
11-29-2010, 09:20 AM
This is getting stupid.

LET IT DIE ALREADY!

Seriously, 2-3 lenghtly threads on the SAME subject, and guess what? No progress is made.
The arugments just keep going around and round in circles.
The flawed car refit arguments and what not have been done to DEATH!

These threads are completely 100% pointless.
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# 380
11-29-2010, 09:24 AM
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This is getting stupid.

LET IT DIE ALREADY!

Seriously, 2-3 lenghtly threads on the SAME subject, and guess what? No progress is made.
The arugments just keep going around and round in circles.
The flawed car refit arguments and what not have been done to DEATH!

These threads are completely 100% pointless.
They're not pointless if Cryptic sees them and understands that there are fans opposed to the idea. If all Cryptic ever sees on the forum are "I want T5 X" threads they're going to assume that's what fans want. They need to see that not all fans want that.

Also, if you're not interested in the thread you can feel free to not read it or post in it.
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