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# 11
12-02-2010, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Leviathan99
I suggested some time ago (and hope they listen) that I think it would be smart to handpick a list of public domain works that can be referenced in the Foundry.

Y'Know, Shakespeare, a collection of Greek myths, some non-fiction works with stock historical personalities.

I'd advise against saying "All Public Domain works" because it varies by country and some may be legal but run into libel issues, etc.

But I think it would be worth consulting an archivist for a "safe" list of works that may be referenced in The Foundry here and in other Cryptic games.
Since Cryptic is in the US, I'd guess that only US copyright would have to apply, so anything in the main Project Gutenberg archive would be ok.

http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page
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# 12
12-02-2010, 05:15 PM
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Since Cryptic is in the US, I'd guess that only US copyright would have to apply, so anything in the main Project Gutenberg archive would be ok.

http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page
In theory. But you might get foreign governments getting cagey.

Even then, there are works post 1922 with disputed status due to failure to include proper notification between the years of 1923 and 1978. Or works like "It's a Wonderful Life" or the Fleisher Superman cartoons that are PARTLY public domain. I think this also affects some early episodes of some sitcoms like the **** Van Dyke show.

All pre-1923 works still runs into libel issues.

It may EVENTUALLY be worth doing but I'd like to see them start by including several large anthologies of CLEARLY public domain, CLEARLY acceptable works.

Trek referenced Shakespeare all the time. Nobody will dispute Shakespeare or Greek myth.

There ARE people out there actively disputing the co-opting of native american religion in the public domain. The Bible and the Quran and The Book of Mormon are all PD works but dicey to include, even as historical texts. (I mean, one could do a mission with Space King David that doesn't preach religion but it's going to be dicey as a subject even within the EULA. And you could argue you were brorrowing David from non-religious PD texts at that.) Why be a target?

Maybe eventually there's a way to include all pre-1923 works. But I'd just suggest starting with Shakespeare (from an old/classic publication; if someone intentionally changes the text in a modern publishing, they own those changes), a certified Public Domain collection of Greek myths (a more modern work may include author embelishments that are not PD), stuff that you would see casually referenced in Trek and in a stock super-hero environment like Champions.
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# 13
12-02-2010, 06:14 PM
What about alcohol? Plenty of references in Star Trek to it...
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# 14 Space Drugs.
12-02-2010, 07:09 PM
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[color="White"]The EULA states that you may not use New Game Materials to reference any drugs (legal or illegal) or medication.

Does this mean that you are not allowed to reference drugs or medication that exist in real life, but we are allowed to make references to drugs or medication that exist within the Star Trek IP?
Well if we can't reference real drugs, I guess I'll have to structure a mission where you're Captain has a head ache and the cure will be "Space Aspirin." And if his eyes hurt, I'll have the doctor administer "Space Weed" which can also be good for curing any crewmen that contract Testicular "Space" Cancer.
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# 15
12-03-2010, 05:17 AM
I have two questions! Can we make up a substance like in my Mission Concept, Spice Traders of the Regula Badlands? and What about Space Lincoln?
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# 16
12-03-2010, 05:23 AM
It's a shame they're limiting storylines so much. You could indeed have a narcotics-related mission with all the Orion cartels.

Call it "Bash a Drug Dealer Day" lol
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# 17
12-03-2010, 06:11 AM
Thank you to the folks who answered my question, much appreciated, hopefully others will also get answers to their questions.

If it's ok, I could type up a copy of the EULA in the original post for reference out of game, would that be ok?
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# 18
12-03-2010, 08:23 AM
I noticed that in the EULA it only said you couldn't make a likeness of an actor... But it doesn't say you can't use the character themselves, (it says you can use any of the intellectual property of star trek that is held by CBS) couldn't you make an "Ensign Picard" with hair that looks nothing like Patrick Stewart? You know, Time Travel and what not.
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# 19
12-03-2010, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuskin
I noticed that in the EULA it only said you couldn't make a likeness of an actor... But it doesn't say you can't use the character themselves, (it says you can use any of the intellectual property of star trek that is held by CBS) couldn't you make an "Ensign Picard" with hair that looks nothing like Patrick Stewart? You know, Time Travel and what not.
This is exactly what I've been wondering. If I make a short fat bald man and name him Picard for a super sweet time travel to the TNG era mission, that's not using Stewart's likeness.
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# 20
12-03-2010, 08:04 PM
Finally got on to Tribble, and read the Foundry EULA... wow that is ridiculously restrictive. I'm sure that it won't be as strictly enforced as it reads, but I do have some questions about where the extreme rules are leading:

Are we allowed to use parody to get certain points across? I know that there are US laws that allow for usage of materials or likenesses for parody purposes.

Also, we can't use the "first or last name" of anyone involved with Star Trek? It seems that if they're going to strictly enforce (which I don't think they will, as it would be preposterous) they could interpret it to go to town on characters named "Bob" in the foundry.

"You may not use copyrighted content from the Properties"... means what? Isn't it all technically copyrighted? Or are they specifically referring to trading cards and posters?

How are people supposed to write tribute episodes? I know the idea is new content, but let's be honest, many people will try to recreate their favorite TV episode. Do these rules allow for a good-natured tribute?
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