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# 21
12-06-2010, 12:17 PM
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Actually, in the "Prime" timeline, we know of at least two wars that ended in at least a stalemate. The first, and arguably most famous, is the Earth-Romulan War in the 22nd century. I think it's pretty obvious that war ended in a stalemate, because it seems unlikely that a "Neutral Zone" would be set up if one side or the other lost. The other is the first conflict with the Cardassians in the 24th century (before TNG). Again, it doesn't seem like that either the Federation or the Cardassians won or lost that war, since niether side didn't seem to lose or gain territory. It also took another war to decide whatever hostilities still existed between the two powers.

You could also argue that the Klingon-Federation Quasi War during the 4th and early 5th seasons of DS9 was another stalemate, mostly due to 1) mitigating circumstances with the Dominion and 2) the writers really weren't too fond of the Klingons as the enemy.
I think the fiction would support the notion that the Federation / Earth won those wars, but by their natures no territorial demands were made.
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# 22
12-06-2010, 01:38 PM
Starfleet has around 7000 Ships as of the Dominion war and the Klingon Fleet consisted of 1500+
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# 23
12-06-2010, 04:57 PM
Being a long time Star Trek fan and having played other games and seen other ideas here is what I have to say.

The Federation does not maintain a huge fleet of ships and they are not warships. The reason for being of Star Fleet Command is to provide a first response to a crisis, provide support to member states and colonies. Also to survey, map and explore the area of the Federation's claimed space. As such the Federation does not maintain warships but builds ships to meet as many needs as they can.

Since the building, maintaining and manning a star vessel is a major investment of resources; Star Fleet is small, maybe a thousand active vessels. Each ship is the best it can be. Highly maintained and given the best care and provided with the latest technology and the best trained crews. Each ship a pinnacle of the state of the art, look at the expected cruises for a ship, five years or more!

The older ships are mothballed and only rebuilt and manned in times of all out war. Also individual small combatants(fighters) are not in the fleet ideals, as they are seen as a waste of resources and manpower. There also seem to be pure exploration vessels that have non-Star Fleet personnel taking over much of the mission duties with Star Fleet personnel only actively manning the actual operation an control duties.



The Klingon Empire is always just one step away from civil war and anarchy. As such they have a great many smaller but less well designed, maintained and built warships. The ships are more rugged and have redundancies to overcome the lack of maintenance, less frequent overhauls and to deal with battle damage.

But each House also vies to show their strength and the major combatant warships are that power. The larger vessels are better built and manned by a large portion of the house's members. The BoP's provide for younger captains and newer crews to get experience while the major vessels are the prides of the House leaders.

We have seen this in all the movies and shows as well as other games and this one as well. In almost every thing I have seen it takes three equivalent Klingon vessels to guarantee victory over a Federation vessel of equal size.

The Romulan's always seemed to be using what ever they could get their hands on. In some games they even used many of the ships of other empires. They had unique technology but never seemed concerned with doing more than building warships. The whole code of behavior of the Romulan Empire dictated this but the size of the fleet would be small otherwise the Emperor would always be facing the treat of a General coming to take over the empire with their fleet.

The Dominion is only one that is shown to have a massive fleet of ships. That was to maintain order as well as to provide security against threats to the Changeling leaders. From what it looked like the fleets were to make sure Solids were never a threat in the area of Dominion space.

The Borg only seemed to develop a big fleet concept in Voyager. Other than that it always seemed like the cubes were so massive because that was the whole of the Borg collective.

Everyone else just seems to be controlling a smaller area of space and as such can concentrate more vessels than Star Fleet can bring to bear quickly.
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# 24
12-06-2010, 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Archanubis
Actually, in the "Prime" timeline, we know of at least two wars that ended in at least a stalemate. The first, and arguably most famous, is the Earth-Romulan War in the 22nd century. I think it's pretty obvious that war ended in a stalemate, because it seems unlikely that a "Neutral Zone" would be set up if one side or the other lost. The other is the first conflict with the Cardassians in the 24th century (before TNG). Again, it doesn't seem like that either the Federation or the Cardassians won or lost that war, since niether side didn't seem to lose or gain territory. It also took another war to decide whatever hostilities still existed between the two powers.

You could also argue that the Klingon-Federation Quasi War during the 4th and early 5th seasons of DS9 was another stalemate, mostly due to 1) mitigating circumstances with the Dominion and 2) the writers really weren't too fond of the Klingons as the enemy.
Yes, the worst they could ever have is a stalemate.
Which is not the same as an actual defeat.
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# 25
12-06-2010, 11:20 PM
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Starfleet has around 7000 Ships as of the Dominion war and the Klingon Fleet consisted of 1500+
UMM, source?
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# 26
12-06-2010, 11:38 PM
I had thought a good explanation for the number of ships (and the fact you get promoted so early in the game) would be a technological one.

Suppose you had created replicators large enough to produce *entire Starships.* There would be a small number of ship-replicator templates to use, modeled in the game with the ways you can customize different classes of ship, and you'd have a harder time filling starships with crews, rather than crews waiting for starships to be built. You'd have a *glut* of starships as they came off the giant-replicator assembly line..

That could be an explanation...
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# 27
12-06-2010, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Archanubis
Actually, in the "Prime" timeline, we know of at least two wars that ended in at least a stalemate. The first, and arguably most famous, is the Earth-Romulan War in the 22nd century. I think it's pretty obvious that war ended in a stalemate, because it seems unlikely that a "Neutral Zone" would be set up if one side or the other lost. The other is the first conflict with the Cardassians in the 24th century (before TNG). Again, it doesn't seem like that either the Federation or the Cardassians won or lost that war, since niether side didn't seem to lose or gain territory. It also took another war to decide whatever hostilities still existed between the two powers.
I disagree, especially in the case of the Cardassians, where it's called the Demilitarised Zone. After WWI a DMZ was set up in the Rhineland, that doesn't mean WWI ended in a stalemate, as most would agree the Allies won. The Romulan neutral zone serves the same purpose. Neither zone is evidence of the war ending in a stalemate, only that one of the sides was able to demand a buffer zone be set up between them (and it was probably the Federation in both cases).
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# 28
12-07-2010, 12:02 AM
The size of Starfleet has always been understated.

Starfleet is responsible for roughly 8-10% of the galaxy, and The Federationís Economy is mostly replicated. The construction capabilities of the Federation are immense, and the only thing holding back the Federation from rolling over everything, including the Borg in all honesty, is trained people.

Donít even get me started about Starfleet only having one Academy. THE academy is on Earth, but there would have to be hundreds of academies of lesser renown in order for Starfleet to function.

If Starfleet ever does figure out Dataís construction I predict every willing world in the galaxy would be flying the Federation flag within fifty years.

If things were looked at logically this would all be true. Somehow, magically, all of Starfleet heads to four years of academy training on Earth, where every graduating class is ten million members strong.

Try hefting that yearbook around for people to signÖ
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