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# 21
12-03-2010, 09:22 PM
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This is exactly what I've been wondering. If I make a short fat bald man and name him Picard for a super sweet time travel to the TNG era mission, that's not using Stewart's likeness.
I think you'd have to be careful but I do have notes for a mission where Geordi's crew aboard the USS Challenger gets infected with a virus that mutates them and you have to free the crew. Along the way, you encounter Geordi but he's mutated.

I have another mission where the Klingon augment virus was never cured and figured Worf would be a white guy with a fu manchu. (Since most augment Klingons were pretty much anglo-American or ethnically Jewish whereas most Klingons post forehead ridges were British or African American. Really, I think you just tended to see whatever was the new prevailing trend in Shakespearian casting hit the Klingons.) So you'd have this TOS Klingon named Worf but he wouldn't be the same guy, really.

I'd be inclined to think that a bad likeness is still a likeness (and will annoy people) but a very deliberately altered likeness could be cool. My litmus test is whether you might actually have a different actor step into the role for an episode.

We have examples where a character was either likely to be re-cast (the original actor died, it was a minor character) or have a stand -in (mutated, aged, de-aged, alternate universe, trapped in someone else's body).

So, y'know... Picard who looks wrong for the sake of it raises a red flag for me. Picard at age 30 (no actor ever played him in his 30s), Picard mutated, Picard trapped in someone else's body, etc. lraises a red flag for me.

I know one thing I have gotten compliments on is my proficiency with the slider tool. With the devs' consent, I'd be happy to work up default contact likenesses for characters that evoke the character without taking heavily from the actor's likeness. For example, an aged Riker based on the AGT makeup but not modeled on Frakes.

I think if we had prefabs of aged (and extra-young) characters as contacts, you'd be less likely to see people try to make their own..
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# 22
12-04-2010, 10:21 AM
Those are good ideas, L99. I just don't think they should be very strict with the likeness thing, since the UGC has such a huge potential to bring in people who aren't playing right now. If they find they won't be able to place their stories on the ships they want to because of some legal technicality, it'll be a big turn off. Besides, all the missions will be marked as player-created, so we know that it's not "official" stories, or whatever the term is.
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# 23
12-06-2010, 04:32 PM
Just letting you know that StormShade has answered some more questions about the EULA here.

He most importantly states that "while you can mention Sisko or Picard all you want, if you use their likeness it violates the actors who played those characters' rights, and opens us to possible legal actions. Therefor, we would be required to remove the likeness from the game."
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# 24
12-14-2010, 02:59 AM
Fair use "Parody" question. Part 2 of my time travel mission has a spoof parody of Dr who "Dr. Hue" an El eurian (guinan's race) he resembles the 10th doctor remarkabley even hair wise, but he is clearly a spoof/ parody toss in actor, like how they did Tom Baker's doc on Simpsons, Parody falls under "fair use" when most argue it on comedies and Youtube videos..i made a mention that test wise, i am unsure if i went to far and will change it if Flagged. Personally? Legally the BBC can' sue "succesfully" if i recall, over a clearly spoof indirect likeness to the Doctor..he has been parodied before.. and MMo's like WoW spoof films and characters all the time (Dranae have tons of star wars character name spoofs and lines). Stormshade, if i went to far and it gets flagged i will gladly alter the character enough to be less "like him" but i really feel this falls under Fair use/parody..? He is not a time traveller, he is an established time sensitive race in Trek canon, used as a "Macguffin" to help the players realize something changed in the timeline they need to correct.
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# 25
12-14-2010, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Alecto View Post
Just letting you know that StormShade has answered some more questions about the EULA here.

He most importantly states that "while you can mention Sisko or Picard all you want, if you use their likeness it violates the actors who played those characters' rights, and opens us to possible legal actions. Therefor, we would be required to remove the likeness from the game."
This is okay but it doesn't address whether we can show a character without the likeness.

If a curious Ferengi accidentally gets ahold of Weyoun's memories from a Dominion trader and downloads Weyoun's personality, the character is basically Weyoun but Jeffrey Combs' likeness isn't being used. (Unless that Ferengi is Brunt.)

Likewise, if Geordi is mutated into a Jem'Hadar, the character is Geordi but it isn't Levar Burton's likeness.
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# 26
12-14-2010, 08:45 AM
They also still haven't addressed the parody & fair use questions.
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