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# 11
01-06-2011, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by LordOfPit View Post
Here's how... place-holders. We all know the Foundry supports placing Markers, well, place holders can be a special kind of marker. These place holders will then be planted in the generic ship interior map templates. When a player will load into his/her own ship's map that an author utilized in a mission, STO will simply overlay the map's template and then use the place holders to put the items the author added to the map at the right place-holder the author used.

In essence, the author will not control where items/entities are placed on the player's ship, but rather which item/entity is placed where. Not too difficult an idea to conceive, not so easy to design and implement and a full workload for Cryptic's team. However, I think it's a necessary sub-system, and not just for STO.
Yeah but it's still very limiting. And what if you want your BOs to get up or sit down? They would have to operate int he same way as the player: Teleport then play animation. Not exactly something you want to see.
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# 12
01-06-2011, 03:12 PM
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And what if you want your BOs to get up or sit down?
Baby steps are limiting by-design, but that's how stuff gets developed, you know?

First we'd get better AI-pathing, triggers, more scriptual control etc, then we'll talk about what to do if/when we reach a point where we want BO's to become actors. I mean, we don't have such fine control over them in the game itself yet.
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# 13
01-07-2011, 12:22 AM
ok....take off the tinfoil hats

there is ZERO chance that foundry will use player internal ship maps
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---NONE---

---ZIP---

---- 0 ----

WHY ?

Several reasons

1. How is a writer to know if they player has a small, medium or large layout...and what kinda
of bridge...there are about 20 of them AND they have halls, and captain offices in different
spots, none of them are the same.

2. Even if they have some special set of adjusting spots to adjust to anyone's layout.....WHY
would a writter bother wasting hours doing it? They won't.

The idea of spending even 1 hour of developer time trying to add a writer UGC / player bridge
matching software is...stupid,,,,,,,writers have enuff to do, we don't want added headaches for the
singular purpose of a few players personal need for the vanity of seeing your own personal bridge
choices in UGC.

Just give us generic layouts.........we will do the rest
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# 14
01-07-2011, 05:50 AM
Well... I know how I would do it... but of course I like to properly plan things out before hand and Cryptic seems to be somewhat short-sighted in this department. Doing something properly that will work well with all the myriad bridges requires planning and forethought and is very possible... if you can't see it that way then perhaps you need to see an optometrist.

Doing things halfway seems to be a Cryptic modus operandi and It would not surprise me if they just give up on it as some have suggested... this is the usual qutiter type of attitude I see everyday and has no place in my book... I always demand excellence from myself and the people I work with or else it simply damages my & our reputations. We see evidence of this all through the game and it is a sign of weak leadership skills and a serious lack of vision and the ability to follow through... All of which are necessary for success.

Ok Everyone... let's strive for Mediocrity today... We were Slack yesterday so Mediocre will make us look good...
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# 15
01-07-2011, 08:05 AM
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...we don't want added headaches for the singular purpose of a few players personal need for the vanity of seeing your own personal bridge choices in UGC.
I disagree, and since I as a software professional can see a way to accomplish this, I'm sure Cryptic does as well. Furthermore, once ship interior technologies are more evolved, Cryptic will have even better tools to allow Foundry authors to handle these challenges and make missions that do seem to take place inside the actual player's ship. Why is this important? Because it's one of the best ways to make players actually care about what they're playing and this is tantamount, in my opinion at least, to making STO an RPG rather than merely an online game!

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Originally Posted by Fatherfungus View Post
Just give us generic layouts.........we will do the rest
Sorry, but that won't be enough as I've already played some mission that claimed the bridge of my ship was completely different than the bridge I myself chose, not to mention paid money for! If only for that, Cryptic should do their very best to allow Foundry authors to use the player's individual bridge and ship interior maps and setups!

Just because you think customizing a ship bridge/interior template is a tedious process not worthy of your time, doesn't mean the rest of us do!
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# 16
01-07-2011, 02:37 PM
The question then becomes...

Can all bridges have the same number of points?
Do you limit bridge types, spawn ins, ect... to only one or three just so that the smallest bridge works?
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# 17
01-07-2011, 05:18 PM
I would imagine that the sections of a ship interior are sub-divided equally for all the different bridges and sizes of interiors... but that is how I would do it... what Cryptic actually does is anyone's guess.
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