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# 11
01-19-2011, 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by keromor View Post
I am a website Designer myself and I have used and modified the CMS thank you, It looks nothing like a geocities website and is not Ugly, And i May also add it says it is the beta version of the site.
Being a web developer myself, I would have to say that is some of the worst I've seen in the industry. Beta does not mean that you can have a semi-live environment that looks that bad. Beta means semi-finished, not face rolling across your keyboard and releasing said service/product/etc.

I understand the whole 'everyone's opinions' type dealio but I have to say this doesn't look like the work of a web designer/developer in the slightest. The background image is tiled and is an eyesore, not to mention clashes with the other color choices. There is an entire slew of spelling and grammar issues, which gives a very, very amateur and 'first time' feel. You're using a very dark background table color with high contrast superior table colors, which creates a lot of eye strain.

Continuing on, using a VB forum software =/= a true CMS system. That being said, claiming that it's a 'website package' is quite misleading as all it is right now is a public VB forum. I'm not saying that forums are bad or can't be centered around but in this case it's technically a forum, not a website package IMHO.

That being said, I can support what you are doing. I enjoy more 'advanced' discussion and fan sites have the ability to moderate content and 'forum police' 100's of times better then official forums. This keeps discussion usually on topic and the forums less messy. Although, if you really want to make it into a full-on community site, I would suggest actually using a CMS and posting said reviews/updates/etc on a news/update/etc page and link to the forum itself for discussion. There are many examples of websites that do this, one that comes to mind is http://www.mmorpg.com/newsroom.cfm Having a normal 'website package' gives an overall feel of professionalism and will bring many more members - IMHO.

Lastly, as I stated, I'm glad your doing this project as it can fill a void of community sites right now. Please don't insult my field of employment by saying this is done by a career web developer. As just clicking the link and viewing the 'front page' it's quite obvious that it isn't. Although, if you are wanting to go into the field, one great way to go about it is practicing by making websites for yourself. So I urge you to continue your project, but to please just Google for some of the 'amateur mistakes a web developer can make' and adjust some of which you made.

Good luck

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Seriously. What purpose does your site serve that can't be done better here on this forum, or on already existing sites, such as STO Wiki or the UGC Wiki?
As I previously stated there are many things that a 'fan site community' can achieve that official forums can not. Due to how forums 'work' much great content is constantly lost if it's not 'well maintained by the forum staff'. A community site with great moderators can also keep discussion calm, civil, and coherent - something that these forums do not do in the slightest. A great community site actually adds to the STO community, rather then detracting from it IMHO.

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Why did you even bother to help people? Do you see what it's gotten you? What a shame, I hope you've learned your lesson. I would like to thank you for your efforts, at least you did SOMETHING, take heart in that.
If you can't handle constructive criticism you don't belong in a field, or trying to partake in a field which is all about criticism. That being said - no one has been rude here. Other then you trying to troll people attempting to help him. Good try though!
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# 12
01-19-2011, 08:27 AM
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Being a web developer myself, I would have to say that is some of the worst I've seen in the industry.
Being a proffessional web applications developer myself, I would have to say it doesn't even come close to being some of the worst I've seen in the industry.
It's medicore. The colors are horrible

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Originally Posted by loyaltrekie View Post
Beta does not mean that you can have a semi-live environment that looks that bad.
I agree.

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Originally Posted by loyaltrekie View Post
Beta means semi-finished
No it doesn't. This site isn't in "beta" or "alpha" or "gamma". There's no application here. If you're a proffessional, why are you not correcting the incorrect usage of "beta" and why are you providing a further, also incorrect, definition.

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Continuing on, using a VB forum software =/= a true CMS system.
Define "True CMS"?
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# 13
01-19-2011, 09:07 AM
What I believe the OP was trying to do is what was mentioned on STOked, a place where you can find links to many of the STO community websites as well as the different radio, web podcasts, UGC links and general info, basically everything STO.

That said all I see is a front page with absolutely no content, links......nothing except a fourm. This is not what they were talking about on their webcast.

Sorry, not much of a portal imo....

I am not sure what you expected releasing this site when it seems as though, just like this game was released way too early, so is this website. I could find more valuable info at our fleets website.

I suggest you go back to basics and put a little more effort into rounding out your site before asking people to check it out if you still intend to do anything with it, because as it stands there is really nothing usefull to make me add this site to my favorites sorry.
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# 14
01-19-2011, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Cu-Annan

No it doesn't. This site isn't in "beta" or "alpha" or "gamma". There's no application here. If you're a proffessional, why are you not correcting the incorrect usage of "beta" and why are you providing a further, also incorrect, definition.


Define "True CMS"?
Beta can refer to many different things to many forms of development process(s). In this case he was using it as a 'rough draft' type deal and many people will never learn the correct usage of much vocabulary and/or will confuse them with a different field all together. Regardless I concede, you are correct I probably shouldn't have encouraged the behavior. When I see many amature web developers use the term beta, they usually refer to a site which has many of it's features built but little to no content. While not the most correct definition industry wide, it's become popular among the many design forums out there dedicated to new people.

The way he refereed to his CMS(IE: forum software), my intention was to direct him to a more traditional free content management system on the market. While a forum could be argued that it is a CMS, it's not as well defined, developed, or suited for what he wants to do.
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# 15
01-19-2011, 11:52 AM
The only reason I ask is the whole "Is word press CMS or just blogging software" thing that crops up from time to time.
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# 16
01-19-2011, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Cu-Annan
The only reason I ask is the whole "Is word press CMS or just blogging software" thing that crops up from time to time.
I know what you mean. The entire industry can't settle on it's own definitions, so it's quite hard to get the 'new' people to understand it quickly. I've been in and out of a few companies who seem to almost make up their own vocabulary.

That being said, if the OP wants to continue with this project I greatly encourage you to do so. Even if it's only for the sole purpose of educating yourself and for having a project to call your own. There is a small gap to fill with what you want to do, and the demand could be there for it. In order to grasp said audience though, you really need to have a well designed 'portal' and have some content to start with. Best of luck to you.

If you have any questions, I'm sure there are many more experienced people on this forum who would be willing to give you some constructive criticism or some guiding light. Although, at least for me, taking on another project(even if to help) is not something I would want to do. Many people in whatever profession tend to chose not to do something within that field in their off time, I'm one of those people. I will be more then glad to offer advice though.

My first recommendation is really to find your targeted audience and approach them; asking what it is THEY think should take priority.(IE: What would draw them to your site more then anything else) That will then help guide you to what you should really start to 'work' on next.
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# 17
01-19-2011, 11:58 AM
The site looks real bad , and i have to say i dont like it one bit , but i see what your trying todo , we have a few sites for this sort of thing allready too so the competition will be healthy, good luck in your adventures but it needs alot of work first.
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# 18
01-19-2011, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SapphicZoid
Why did you even bother to help people? Do you see what it's gotten you? What a shame, I hope you've learned your lesson. I would like to thank you for your efforts, at least you did SOMETHING, take heart in that.
Yea ive already found out most people in this "community" cant appreciate anything or give constructive criticism

Thanks
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# 19
01-19-2011, 03:17 PM
Your site looks amateurish, use a better style. It is incredibly difficult to read because of your chosen colors. This was pointed out to you. It's constructive criticism.

Your reaction to it is not constructive.
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# 20
01-19-2011, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by keromor View Post
Yea ive already found out most people in this "community" cant appreciate anything or give constructive criticism

Thanks

Everything that's been posted for the most part has been constructive, if you can't handle negativity - don't post something in a public forum. Everyone has every right to not be appreciative of something; just as much as they have the right not to appreciate a bird taking a poop on their windshield.
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