Hi MelineAaele,

Some good advice there..PvP isnt my kind of thing, your right. But I have done it when the mood takes me. Id be happy to join a fleet to help others not just for STF's but to help and progress and take on further challenges later in the games life. As well as make friends like minded too!

I had been on ESD and maybe that might be the crux of the problem there. I wasnt sure if the recruiting area was the same thing, so I guess I will try there. Often I would join and it seemed when I was in no one knew what they was doing of seem inactive.

I will have a look anyway. Thanks

I did Infected with a group about a week or two ago. It took us seven hours to do it and that's including the time we had to wait for some new people to join us after some of our other members quit.

I originally thought finding 4 others to do an STF with was a pain because I read that people avoid doing them. I was at Memory Alpha asking a Vice Admiral where he got the Borg stuff and he told me the STFs except for the Borg Universal that you get from a PvE mission. I looked in the zone chat and saw someone asking for people to do Infected. I pm-ed her and headed for Infected's location.

It was fun, challenging and a welcome change from the easier PvE missions. I'd do another STF now that I know there are people that do them.

Was just reading the manual on this website "http://www.startrekonline.com/manual" to find out something about STO and look what I found under teaming:

"Sometimes, finding friends to explore strange new worlds with can be difficult. To this end, Star Trek Online features an auto-team system. Turned on by default, this system checks to see if other players have recently started a mission you are starting, and if so, will automatically place you in the same instance so you can group up. If you would rather seek out new life and new civilizations alone, you may disable the auto-teaming system on the Team tab of the Social Window, or you may also set it to Prompt you before joining with other players. To access the Social Window, press "R." Then select "Team Settings," then change your Team Join Mode to something other than "Open Team."

So what I am suggesting is already 'in game' but not used for STF's...my view is that it seems to ignore that system. I know its not switched off because sometimes I get teamed up with someone for a scanning mission occasionally.

I just thought I would bring that to the attention to those that said it was a game changing request.

You didn't know about auto-teaming?

*rolls eyes*

No, auto-teaming is not even remotely what you are talking about. Since you don't understand, auto-teaming allows anyone to join a mission already in progress. It does not "place you in a team" so you can start a mission.

As an example, if you are on the mission "Patrol XYZ system", and you go in, and 2 minutes later someone else gets that mission, they can auto-join you to complete the mission.

Contrast to , say, Infected, where upon entering the mission you are facing upwards of 3 Borg Cubes and half a dozen spheres. Entering the mission solo is SUICIDE. What you are suggesting is someone entering the mission and dying (repeatedly) until the Borg are right on top of the spawn point massacring anyone who enters.

Again, blind group assembly will only make the problem worse, as there is no change to organize, make sure everyone has the weapons, skills, and kits they NEED , and no chance to plan in advance. If you think you are frustrated now, wait until you run KA with a PUG and tear your hair right out of your skull because Nooblet McWon'tListen keeps aggroing EVERYTHING IN SIGHT.

Yes I did know about auto teaming..again the point was missed...

I was suggesting an IDEA, Get it? IDEA based on suggestions I had previously made! Don't accuse me of not listening when you do not clearly do it yourself.

So these people Noobs who dont listen. What are they supposed to do, maybe they are playing the game the way they want, or dont have chat window open or dont know enough about STF's and confuse it with 'just another mission'? If people just log on, play the game and leave. Are you seriously telling me and others that people have to take time out to research everything about STF's before they undertake them? Spidey didnt and he did ok. I know as I got a message from him before he posted agreeing with me.

All you do is plan your attack and shoot stuff, albeit on a difficult level requiring 5 players. The point of doing anything new is to learn tactics not just read about them. What I would like to know is if what all your advice is true, then how did the first players start? Wasnt someone in the same situation then as they would be now if it was for the first time? How quickly people forget when they were new to things..

People, namely you, have said you have no patience with people. So you reap what you sow.

Again the point is, that if no one wants these people in the Fleet, or people decide not to be in a fleet and so on..Fleets and teams get to do it with the people THEY want in their team and us NOOBS, idiots and other choice phrases can deal with them . Hence why I said earlier about "taking up the slack"

The framework I was referring too seems already there and it is a possible improvisation to deal with that issue, but again I'm met with insults and sarcasm....Can't you do anything other than be rude? You are really showing yourself up you know...

I would also like to quote some guidelines I am sure you are aware of:

"14. Respect is the name of the game. You must respect your fellow members and refrain from inflammatory comments as well as flaming, taunting, and general disrespect. Do not simply put down the opinion or advice given by others. If you don't agree with it, say why - respectfully. Don't just tell them they're wrong. Do not make uninvited remarks about typos, duplicate posts, posting styles, etc.

15. When an opinion-based discussion is being had, do not state things like "there is no argument" as if your opinion is the only one or the only one that matters. When someone has clearly stated their opinion, do not say things like "Are you serious?" and "Are you kidding me?" Remember, this is not a debate club. This is a friendly discussion community. Allow people to have their opinion. No one is to act as some sort of opinion judge, responding to each one to say whether they agree with it or not or whether or not it is a valid, well thought out opinion."

Your view on respect Savnoka in an earlier post is in contradiction to section 14 and 15 and therefore lets all remember that what I have suggested are 'Ideas and Suggestions'. Admittedly, the focus has gone to more my 'issues' with fleets because it is constantly getting misrepresented, but as stated earlier it boils down to two points..and for the record I have been trying to direct such vents of venemous comments to those guidelines several times now and I am being ignored.

Have something polite to say or face being reported.

I was referring to the fleet section of the forums..

A really good fleet I can recommend is Clan Hunters, add the channel ClanH ingame to chat a bit with them.

One thing though.. Dont expect to join a fleet and 5 minutes or a day or even a couple of days later, have completed all STFs..

They usually run a schedule, and no matter what you do, its important that you can follow directions in the STF groups (like : "Dont enter next room, wait here." "Dont hit continue on the popup" "When I say now, fire off all relevant buffs" "Use this or that kit and that or this weapon")

If you can do this, STFs are very easy.. They are fast (1-3 hours depending on which one).. And youll always be welcome on a team that is one short..

If you ignore the advice, and mess up the run, they would probably rather wait half an hour or more for another player, instead of taking you on the team again.

Then I apologize -- from the way you phrased it I assumed you did not know how the system worked to build a team.

*rubs temples*

Yes, I am aware you had an idea. There are, at last count , probably tens of thousands of ideas on these forums, scattered about in various sections. Very, very few of them are responded to in a positive light, because they usually don't work.

Reviewing this thread, no one is discussing the viability of any of the ideas you've had except the one person who seems to agree with you after I commented. I'm accusing you of not listening becuase you don't seem to be getting that people clearly aren't having the trouble you are in forming STF PUG's or groups, and that perhaps your idea -- regardless of it's merits, let's say for the sake of argument that is brilliant -- is of lesser importance than all the problems people are having with the actual STF's.

Ah, now we are getting somewhere.And perhaps, actually getting to the source of your problems as well.

There seems to be a body of people who consider themselves what I like to call "extreme casuals". They're at the other end of the spectrum from the extreme hardcore. The extreme casuals expect to simply pick up the game and win.

*holds up a hand*

I am not trying to be insulting. (Trust me, you'll know when I am). I am saying this because of what you wrote. There is a critical difference between a new player and a n00b. A new player is someone who hasn't had the chance to learn. A n00b is someone who refuses to and doesn't think he or she should HAVE to.

I'm sure there are quite a few people who just log on, play, and leave. Maybe 3 hours a week. Consider it, however, from the other end of the spectrum. You have players who (like me) went lifetime subscriber when the success of the game was very much in doubt. We've spent months working on our characters, our fleets, making suggestions, learning how the STF's work. We didn't have any of the guides or manuals or walkthroughs now -- we had to LEARN them the hard way. We didn't HAVE anyone to show us how to do it.

But we figured it out, and put up walkthroughs where others could follow. FIrst the hardcore did it. Then the dedicated players, then then semi-serious casuals.

And now , months later, the casual wants to do the mission explicitly designed for the hardcore. Take Spidey. I'm glad he got through it. I can guarantee the mission took longer and was less fun for those leading him along than it would have been if he had done some research.

Yes, I'm serious, the STF's need research and team work and planning, that is what they are ABOUT. I can't understand why so many people (not just you) can't grasp this simple fact. The reason the rewards are so awesome is that they are COMPLICATED and DIFFICULT and MESSY.

I don't forget a thing. What I remember is when we started, we had to start over again, and again, and again, because people kept rage quitting and wouldn't stick to it. What I remember is that it wasn't just hammering 11111 , it required really thinking about how to flank, pick off nodes, pick weapons types. I remember respeccnig my captain and all four of my BO's to make it work.

What I "reap" is really not the point of the discussion. It's not my responsibility to teach or guide others to succeed at something unless and until they are willing to put forth the effort I had to. You yourself said you aren't interested in having to research or plan or spend time finding a good fleet with a strong EU group...what am I reaping again?

People, namely you, have said you want the game to be fun. Why should I have to ruin my fun for you to have fun?

The solution has nothing to do with frameworks, I assure you. Really, believe me when I tell you this. If you implement some magical easy run the STF solution, the very next step will be masses of casuals saying the gameplay is too hard because it should be just like any other mission, and then it will get dumbed down to the point you can run the blasted thing solo, and then there goes the content designed specifically for the hardcore player.

Casuals have daily missions, hardcore players have STF's.

A long time ago when people made assertions that didn't make logical sense to me, I tried being polite. I learned something about that.

No one pays attention to people who are polite.

There were quite a few polite posters in this thread disagreeing with you, and you summarily accused each one of not listening, not understanding, or basically ignored them. So that's okay, but when someone does it to you it isn't?

Spare me.

I have always maintained that if someone wants to report something I have posted they should not respond to it but simply report it. I believe it also says that in the guidelines.

The point of the thread is your suggestion that the primary problem with new players and STF's is inability to join, not moderation. Threatening me with reporting is not going to make your points somehow valid.