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# 11
02-19-2011, 08:12 PM
Indeed, as pointed out above, there are any number of factions within the Remans, including Obisek's. I must commend the Devs and writers in not lumping everything and everyone together. They have created shades of gray.

Including my choice: I did not arrest Obisek. As stated in the mission text, "I may not like" what you are doing, but I won't stop you. Utilizing weapons such as thalaron weapons leaves a very strong bitter taste in my mouth, and I seriously had problems with my choice, but ultimately I let him go. Why? Well, slavery evil very narrowly trumps biological warfare evil, ethically, in my mind. But only just, and only when (I hope) Obisek is using those weapons against military targets.

That "I hope" clause leaves me with a very bad feeling of dread. (And with that, I again commend the writers and devs for having such an interesting character and story going in an online game.)
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# 12
02-19-2011, 08:31 PM
My KDF Trill sided with Obelisk only because of the chaos he was starting.
I don't like romulans so the more chaos that he could wrought on them the better.

I am a little confused over how our decision on this episode can effect the next though.....
Did they make two episodes?
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# 13
02-19-2011, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Staran View Post
My KDF Trill sided with Obelisk only because of the chaos he was starting.
I don't like romulans so the more chaos that he could wrought on them the better.

I am a little confused over how our decision on this episode can effect the next though.....
Did they make two episodes?
I do not think it will have any affect. If you try to arrest him, I have been told that he still beams away but the guards that he beams in will attack you. The fact that there is instant replay available, I am not sure how they could have branching missions based on decisions from previous ones. But it would be cool, if they could do that.
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# 14
02-19-2011, 08:44 PM
well...you have to see this guy again, right?
They didn't build him up that much for nothing.
Of course, he could just "go crazy" next time you see him or something.
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# 15
02-19-2011, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Staran View Post
My KDF Trill sided with Obelisk only because of the chaos he was starting.
I don't like romulans so the more chaos that he could wrought on them the better.

I am a little confused over how our decision on this episode can effect the next though.....
Did they make two episodes?
Sided with Obisek solo and against him on a team.

When you go against him you get different VOs for the ending and an accolade (Cease and Desist). The guards that beam down attack you. Then you get to defeat and arrest Reman Resistance Cell Members (have to arrest 40 for the Incarcerator? accolade).

Not 100% sure, but I think the end result is the same because when you try to arrest Obisek he beams out and says something akin to "maybe next time you'll reconsider my offer". So either way, you go back to your superiors with his offer of alliance.
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# 16
02-19-2011, 09:49 PM
Obisek is like the new Shizon. He's there to promise the Remans freedom from the tyranny of the Romulans or at least some kind of equality. Unlike Shinzon though, Obisek isn't obsessed with vengeance against the Federation. Had Shinzon been different, STO would be very different in regards to the Romulans.
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# 17
02-19-2011, 10:10 PM
note: SPOILER ALERT

I thought that ONLY the two choices were somewhat limited in scope. If you arrest the man .. you are still violating the prime directive in one since of the word by taking sides .. ?? I did not agree with what I saw in Obelisk ... but the other Remans we questioned seemed to set the stage for a genuine refugee camp. I'm not going to go thermal over this .. or accuse Cryptic of a bad plot. I would have prefered to have told him that Starfleet was in no position to take sides ... BUT we could offer humanitarian aid to refugees in places that we neutral . THEN offer him the opportunity to come back to Strarfleet and put a face on the suffering of his people NOT as a prisioner but rather as a leader genuinly concerned for what was happening. I juswt hope that we still have the options we wnat in the next episode regardless of the acolades or path chosen this time around.

And it may very well be that this time the information we gathred was exactly that ... Now we know what the story line is. BUT we are still unsure what has triggered the chain of events. Some how I suspect another out side force has control of a couple of key charactors and is the real driving force behind this. Who knows .. perhaps we will have the opportunity to offer help to both sides to sit down to the barganing table (so to speak) and work out their differences once we figure out WHO or WHAT is behind this.

(Just a thought)
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# 18
02-19-2011, 11:13 PM
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In all honesty, I'm not entirely sure how I'm supposed to be acting in-character. I mean, I was initially going to go along with the idea that the Remans were just being a bunch of genocidal *******s, but Obisek's references to the Iconians threw me for a loop. I thought no one knew about them except me, a few Starfleet admirals, and the Romulans/Remans who blew up Hobus. Given that the Iconians seem to be literally behind <i>everything</i> in the Federation campaign, I figure that it'd probably be a good idea to find someone who knows just what the hell they're planning and how far they've infiltrated other governments.

But...yeah, leaving Obisek with his thalaron weapons was a bad call on my part. On the other hand, I don't know how I'd get them from him without starting a firefight. I suppose Obisek could've done the classy thing and formally sought asylum with the Federation and voluntarily offered to hand over the weapons. However, since I didn't have a small armada to dissuade the Tal Shiar or the ability to get Obisek's people out of Romulan space post-haste, I don't even think that solution would've worked.

Man, being a starship captain is hard. Maybe I should look into that admin job on Starbase 375 Dad was telling me about...

BTW, is it possible that Obisek's people were the ones doing the grunt work on Hobus, and now the Tal Shiar has decided to shoot the workforce to cover their tracks?
I knew exactly how to react in character

Astarielle was already planning to talk to the Remans. In fact, she was charging out to defend the scoutship from the Romulans. When she heard about the Iconians, she knew Prime Directive or not, she had to get to the bottom of this. The only concern she had was the Thalaron Weapons, but considering how readily the Tal Shiar has been using them, Obisek is the lesser of two evils. Nice guy, actually...

Takurai, meanwhile, understands the plight of the Remans, but there rules to be followed. He's willing to leave the matters of Iconians and Diplomacy to the archeologists and diplomats.

Zypher doesn't give a damn either way. The fight between Remans and Romulans is merely a minor diversion. The Thalaron generator interested her for a few minutes, but she dismissed it. As for the Iconians, she'll let come what comes. She has her own demon to deal with.
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