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# 11
03-20-2011, 08:25 PM
Klingons are warriors who follow the way of the Warrior. There are several code of conduct that define what a soldier and warrior can and cannot do. SInce Star Trek is suppose to be a reflection of 20th and 21st century Earth, the most readily identifialbe culture is the Japanese and the code of Bushido. Granted, this reflection of Japan is baised by modern American understanding and interperatation of their culture. It is said that immintation is the greatest form of flattery.
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# 12
03-20-2011, 10:29 PM
Who are klingons? To understand us I suggest the following:

Watch Star Trek Klingon: it's on you tube.

Learn tlhIngan Hol , (The Klingon language) It's hard but fun.
At least get the Klingon/english dictionary by Mark Okrand ,

Seek us out at Star Trek Conventions, Those of us that dress up as Klingons for such events.
I am a member of the fan club (Klingon Assault Group)

See the Play (if your in the midwest) A Klingon Christmas Carol.

Visit the website Klingonspace. I have picture of myself in costume there as do many other Klingon
Fans.

As members of KAG we follow the Klingon Honor Code.

Marok Lt General
Commanding IKS Khitomer

Member of the Klingon Assault Group IKV Emperor's Hand

Above all have fun learning about us!!

Qapla Batlh Je ( Success and Honor)
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# 13
03-21-2011, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by chessie5882 View Post
Who are klingons? To understand us I suggest the following:

Watch Star Trek Klingon: it's on you tube.

Learn tlhIngan Hol , (The Klingon language) It's hard but fun.
At least get the Klingon/english dictionary by Mark Okrand ,

Seek us out at Star Trek Conventions, Those of us that dress up as Klingons for such events.
I am a member of the fan club (Klingon Assault Group)

See the Play (if your in the midwest) A Klingon Christmas Carol.

Visit the website Klingonspace. I have picture of myself in costume there as do many other Klingon
Fans.

As members of KAG we follow the Klingon Honor Code.

Marok Lt General
Commanding IKS Khitomer

Member of the Klingon Assault Group IKV Emperor's Hand

Above all have fun learning about us!!

Qapla Batlh Je ( Success and Honor)
THIS ... is what I'm talking about!

To learn about Klingons, you have to look at those of us in the real world that are inspired by them.

You look at groups like mentioned above and need to include them as they are breathing air into the lungs of the Klingon Empire.
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# 14
03-21-2011, 05:45 AM
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When I think of Klingons (Being one of my favorite science fiction races of all time) I tend to think of them as a hybrid of old world Samurai, and Vikings.
I would agree with this perception.

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...But you are right. Klingons do seem to be the MOST recognized sci-fi people. Even my wife (Who has NEVER watched an episode of Startrek) once said to me "Q'pla".

I said "Wha...?"
She said, "That's what Klingons say... right? 'Q'pla'?"
I said "Uhh... yeah, how did you know that?"
She said "Doesn't -everyone- know that?"

LOL
Keep her and do not let her go, ever.

My wife (though I love her deeply) has no clue as to anything Star Trek, KDF or the like and merely puts up with my idiosyncracies.

As to why I'm drawn and have been drawn to the Klingons as my favorite ST species...
They are warriors and follow a code of honor that, like bushido, is a good philosphy for a warrior and thier lifestyle.
I enjoy the gregariuos thirst for life that Klingons possess. Nothing is every small or unimportant, everything is for honor and glory and the furthering of the Empire and one's house name.
Quick to offend and be enemies, slow to let go of those friends or enemies that have earned thier respect.
Steadfast in thier leaping into harms way to face the challenge.
Life to the fullest on the battlefield, wine , songs and celebration afterwards.
Tis a good thing to be born a tlhIngan.

My Prime KDF toon though is different. Having been liberated from the Borg, his psyche has never recovered, leaving him somewhat more and less of a Klingon.
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# 15
03-21-2011, 06:09 AM
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I respect your comments but have to disagree on most of your points.
I rather think you misunderstood my thoughts. I apologize for misleading the Klingon fans by adding my antipathy for Klingons in the previos post.
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Klingons are from a warrior culture ... and they are passionate.
Dit I wrote something else? They are neither good nor bad. They are agressive. Beeing agressive makes ANY creature jealous against any potential adversary. So to speak, I see the Klingons as normal predators, as the same we know in the real world, like lions, tigers, wolfes, etc. Their behavior is very complex and even this jelousy is a strong socialisation part. Thatfore I don't see the Klingon behavior as unnatural.
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For how many years were the American Indians viewed as savages? ...Truth is that outsiders misjudged them and never really got to know them as a people ... got to know them as a culture.

Klingons are much the same and can be just as misunderstood.
Sorry, but there is almost nothing to compare American natives with Klingons. The American Natives were hunters, not warriors. There is a fine line betwene these definitions. Hunters can rise up and fight for their tribe, while warriors, will not hunt, but stay always under arms with just only one purpose, to defend or attack. The Natives were called during the indian wars as warriors. Despite this, they were at the bottom line still raised up hunters. Hunters can make good warriors by the way.

The Klingons have a total different life codex. They are a little bit of Vikings, a little bit of Samurai, a little bit of Cazacks, etc. But no part of it would let remember of American Natives.
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Klingons are also a fictional race whose culture has been embraced by a number of people in the real world .... After all, how many fictional races have inspired their own languages? ,,, There own martial arts styles?

Their own literature?
I see, yo get me totally wrong, and I am really sad about his. I do not see the Klingons as rednecks in space. Neither do I see them as savages. The problem I so often saw by fans of them was, the Klingons were always compared to the humans. Well, they're not!

I don't make this mistake. For me every alien race in Star Trek has different behavior patterns wich defines them somehow. The Klingons have the most complex, because they were fleshed out. Learning all of this definitions the only thing that remain to say is, at the bottom line they don't act like humans, and mostly they don't want to, because it feels unnatural for them behaving so.

Actually this last sentence works for the humans as well. We have the same problems to act properly with our own pets. A dog is a dog, and a cat is a cat, they don't act like humans, still we handle them like humans. You see, this is exaclty what the Klingon fans are doing here. They don't discuss about how would a Klingon be and act, but how would the fans act as a Klingon.

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To not beeing get wrong, here my reasons why I don't like the Klingons. If it is not written here, then I see no reason do dislike them for this.
  • Klingons are always agressive.
  • They fire first and ask later.
  • They are extreme, destroying whole colonies or killing the own crew is "normal" for them.
  • They are bullies.
  • They know all best.
  • They force their code of conduct and opinion to anyone.
As having very liberal alignment it is for me absolutely unpleasant to play as a Klingon in any kind.

Despite this, I am glad, that there are a lot of fans, who made this fictonal race so complex. The first thing anybody thinks when Star Trek is been called out, there are the Klingons. Choosing them as the other faction in STO was the right choice for many reasons.

I like fighting the Kingons for this race have the most opposite alignment as mine, espacially while roleplaying. For me it is a major task to know my "enemy" as best as possible. And it is important for me beeing as objective as possible. That is why I am interesting in the Klingons!

Posting all my thoughts here, I thought it would help the Klingon fans to see beyond the fanbase.
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# 16
03-21-2011, 07:12 AM
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  • Klingons are always agressive.
  • True, genetically they have an over developed (in human comparison) Adrenal like glands that boost their fight or flight repsonse to the point of being only fight.
    Its not just a physical change as according to some lore the "glands" also boost a Klingons thinking in times of stress as well.
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  • They fire first and ask later.
  • Is there any other way?

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  • They are extreme, destroying whole colonies or killing the own crew is "normal" for them.
  • They most certainly are extreme in attitude, but they don't kill indiscrimiately or without purpose. While the other races do not always agree with the purpose in question, such is a racial/social difference of the Klingons and other races.

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  • They are bullies.
  • No more so than any Human can be.
    Klingons are boastful, gregarius, loud, very physical and a lot of fun and I've found them no different than a lot of personalities that I have met among the RL armed forces.

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  • They know all best.
  • No more or less than the Humans know it all.
    Klingons just seem more outspoken in their assertions of what they believe and know.

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  • They force their code of conduct and opinion to anyone.
We merely have a different code than what teh Federation and Star Fleet force upon those whom disagree with them and a different way of making those we encounter see our reason.
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# 17
03-21-2011, 08:30 AM
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No more so than any Human can be.
Klingons are boastful, gregarius, loud, very physical and a lot of fun and I've found them no different than a lot of personalities that I have met among the RL armed forces.

No more or less than the Humans know it all.
Klingons just seem more outspoken in their assertions of what they believe and know.
Humans can act like this but it is not part of their natural behavior. Beside this in Star Trek, you can avoid those humans rather than the whole Klingon population.
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We merely have a different code than what teh Federation and Star Fleet force upon those whom disagree with them and a different way of making those we encounter see our reason.
It's like, "There are two ways, the klingon way and no way!"

And you ask a liberal why those people are the dedicated enemies? :p
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# 18
03-21-2011, 11:52 AM
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Humans can act like this but it is not part of their natural behavior.
All you describe is attributed to the human species at one point or another through history, and more often as individuals.

The natural behavior of a human is as simple as the natural behavior of any intelligent species.
Food - Shelter- Procreation

Add in a civilized format and larger than family sized social grouping and you get all the good and the bad as those survival skills are now expressed over a limited set of parameters.

Food- Work for it or die. Die or steal it, DIe or kill for it. The first is socially acceptable, the last two are not within a society.
Shelter and Procreation all fall to similiar guidlines when a society is involved.

As to racial motivations, they all differ.
Our way is not the federation way which is not the Romulan way which is not the Cardassian way which is not the Reman way which is not the Breen way, etc etc.

The only difference lies in interpetting which ways are right and which are wrong. Interpetation is biased due to one's racial outlook. So the feds way is not the KDF way but that doesn't mean the KDf way is not just as valid- merely a different path.
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# 19
03-21-2011, 12:29 PM
Macumba did a nice job on the 1st page post, but ....well....I couldn't help the urge to modify it a bit.....



Why are Klingons so aggressive?
- YOU try eating dinner that is trying to run away constantly...see how that affects your disposition !


Are all Klingons living by their code of honor?
- Yes. But any conversations about it can only end in a gunshot. Or a knife in the chest.

Are those the good guys? / Have they good intentions?
- UUmmmmm can you define "good" please ?


What's the problem then with this?
- Klingons don't have a problem. Least wise one that cannot be solved through disruptors, explosives or a bat'leth. Or all three, on a good day.

Why do Klingons and Federation hardly come along?
- It's the ol' "Ridgeheads vs. Pink Skin" thing....been that way for ages. Some Klingon ship probably was playing the space version Klingon tiddly-winks with disruptor cannons, and some Fed ship got all upset....

Why do Klingons got often along with the Federation?
- Sometimes the more explosive toys you have...the better the party. Besides, if you kill ALL of your enemny - THEN what ??!!

Why do the Klingons fight the Federation?
- Simple. They can. And the Federation was handy at the moment. Sheezzz...why make it complicated ?
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# 20
03-21-2011, 12:52 PM
You could also imply that Klingons are in a way like "bikers" of today in the US. They are set up in a way compared to feudal Japan, the warlords and the samurai, with the bat'lith being the katana and disruptor the long bow. Unlike the samurai when not in battle the Klingons are rowdy, loud, boastful. Craving strong drink, and lots of it, challenging companionship. Along with "brothers" to challenge and test each others mettle. So when a bar or on the ship the Klingons seem to act like bikers in some ways. With there own set of honor that others are compared to whether they like it or not. But just because you do not understand their ways, does not imply that they are savages or aggressive. It is the way that they view the universe around them. Q'plah!
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