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# 751
03-29-2011, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by LeBeck
Brilliant work on the uniforms, I've had a few different styles/eras and always refer to this thread, I look forward to seeing the uniforms for the new awesome TOS costumes.
Well, here you go! They're here!

Medical Variant
Medical Nurse's Skirt

Captain's Tunic Wrap
Captain's Tunic Wrap Skirt

Captain / Commodore Dress Uniform - Gold
Captain / Commodore Dress Uniform - Green
Captain / Commodore Dress Uniform Skirt - Gold
Captain / Commodore Dress Uniform Skirt - Green
Commander Dress Uniform - Blue
Commander Dress Uniform Skirt - Blue
Lieutenant / Lt. Commander Dress Uniform - Red
Lieutenant / Lt. Commander Dress Uniform Skirt- Red

As usual these have been separated into the relative sections for ease of use.

Enojy!


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# 752 Canon Dress Uniforms
03-29-2011, 12:50 PM
Canon Dress Uniforms have been moved to their own section in order to make room for further development.

TOS Dress Uniforms.
Note: These can be colored with any of the divisional colors that appear on them and are not limited to the versions pictured with those colors.

Captain / Commodore - Gold
Captain / Commodore - Green
Captain / Commodore Skirt - Gold
Captain / Commodore Skirt - Green
Commander - Blue
Commander Skirt - Blue
Lieutenant / Lt. Commander - Red
Lieutenant / Lt. Commander Skirt- Red

Jag Officer Uniform - Female
Jag Officer Uniform - Male

DS9 / TNG Film (Diplomatic) Dress Uniforms:

Captain
Command
Operations
Sciences

TNG / DS9 Admiral Uniforms

TNG Film / DS9 Admiral Uniform

TNG Series Admiral Uniform

Enjoy!


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# 753
03-29-2011, 01:00 PM
I addition I have also updated the previous TOS uniforms with the bright gold badges and rank braids and added these new TOS Special Ops / Section 31 variants.

Male
Female

Note: There are no divisional colors for these uniforms. Divisions are indicated by badge alone.

Enjoy!


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# 754
03-29-2011, 01:15 PM
Amazing work!
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# 755
03-29-2011, 03:19 PM
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Thank you for your notes, but I have come to the conclusions I have drawn by watching the movies multiple times myself and conferring with several friends.

If you watch Wrath of Khan through Undiscovered Country you can note that the winsor green that you mention is used for Security Uniforms only appears in the Medical Facility that McCoy is sent to in The Search for Spock. In all other instances the Security Officers wear black collars and an armored vest. The armored vest unfortunately is not available. This leads us to the conclusion that those uniforms are specific to Medical Security personnel, which would fit with the green collars worn by Medical personnel.

The problem is, that Robert Flechter, who designed those uniforms worked only on the first four films, but his notes were used til the end. So it is no miracle that his successors made mistakes, like using blue instead of windsor green in STTFF or Valeris uniform in STTUC. Those division colors are the correct one and are also shown on Memory Alpha ( http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniform )
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And in the case of TMP, again if you watch you will note that there seems to be some correlation with divisions and rank. For instance, you only see crewmen wearing orange and brown in the engineering section and transporter room, while crewmen in gray and white appear in the science and medical sections as well as on the bridge.

Trust me, we've gone over and over this and while there are sources that say otherwise, I believe we have come to more accurate conclusions than they have. ...
Here is the problem, that the production notes differ from your version:
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Excerpt from Susan Sackett & Gene Roddenberry's "The Making of Star Trek: The Motion Picture"

Fletcher not only devised uniforms for all the crew, but, as with most military services, there are several classes of uniforms.

Dress uniforms are worn only on formal occassions and at Starfleet Headquarters. The best example of this can be seen in Admiral Kirk’s uniform worn at the beginning of the movie, with Bill Shatner wearing the crisp loden green and white uniform.

Class A uniforms are double-stitchedand have gold braid designating rank. Some of them have open necklines or other variations, as is true in the military services of our century. Rank designation became a point of confusion because of a decision made years before on the television series uniform. It was felt that the traditional four gold stripes of ship captain’s rank was too blatantly “militaristic”-looking for a 23rd-century paramilitary starship. Accordingly, the captain was held to a couple of stripes and lower ranks to even less. It was decided to continue this way for the movie. But many of the new Star Trek staff (and even Bob Fletcher himself) kept getting the 20th and 23rd centuries confused.

B uniforms utilize shirts which look similar to evolved T-shirts. These are white, beige, and pale brown, and use shoulder boards to indicate rank and service division (through color designations).

Uniforms worn on the bridge are of three general classifications. All command officers generally wear the blue-gray uniforms (Kirk, Spock, Decker, Scotty, McCoy); other bridge officers like Sulu and Chekov wear beige; crew personnel who are usually never on the bridge except for emergencies wear brown.

In addition to these uniforms, there are jump suits in white, brown, beige, gray, and sage green (this color worn in Earth scenes only). These are a kind of work suit, and have the only pockets of any Star Trek costumes, since these outfits are designed to be utilitarian. The jump suits are also designed to fit like a second skin, moving and bending with the person wearing them. Bob chose a special heavy-weight spandex, which he admits was hell to sew, and required the use of a special ballpoint needle to penetrate the material.

Other costumes included leisure wear, field jackets (these are worn in the final scenes at the site of Voyager 6) and space suits.
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# 756
03-29-2011, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackavaar View Post
Canon Dress Uniforms have been moved to their own section in order to make room for further development.

TOS Dress Uniforms.
Note: These can be colored with any of the divisional colors that appear on them and are not limited to the versions pictured with those colors.

Captain / Commodore - Gold
Captain / Commodore - Green
Captain / Commodore Skirt - Gold
Captain / Commodore Skirt - Green
Commander - Blue
Commander Skirt - Blue
Lieutenant / Lt. Commander - Red
Lieutenant / Lt. Commander Skirt- Red

DS9 / TNG Film (Diplomatic) Dress Uniforms:

Captain
Command
Operations
Sciences

Enjoy!


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Originally Posted by Blackavaar View Post
I addition I have also updated the previous TOS uniforms with the bright gold badges and rank braids and added these new TOS Special Ops / Section 31 variants.

Male
Female

Note: There are no divisional colors for these uniforms. Divisions are indicated by badge alone.

Enjoy!


Great work on the TOS bundle, Blackavaar! Awesome as always!
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# 757
03-29-2011, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BarbarossaRotbart
The problem is, that Robert Flechter, who designed those uniforms worked only on the first four films, but his notes were used til the end. So it is no miracle that his successors made mistakes, like using blue instead of windsor green in STTFF or Valeris uniform in STTUC. Those division colors are the correct one and are also shown on Memory Alpha ( http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Starfleet_uniform )
Here is the problem, that the production notes differ from your version:
Those notes are faulty. Even in the very movie (Search for Spock) where you can clearly see the winsor green collars on the Medical Security Officers you see Security Officers at the door to Spock's quarters earlier wearing Black collars. Memory Alpha is not perfect.

And when Susan Sackett says generally she is obviously leaving out the various extras in white and gray walking around on the bridge during various scenes. Also, the jumpsuits she refers to as only being worn in Earth scenes can clearly be seen on the crew of the Space Station that witnesses the destruction of the Klingons at the beginning of the film.

Besides, my selections and designations make it easier for players to use the colors in the game and know what they mean rather than just haphazardly putting whatever color on whatever crewman for no apparent reason, which is the way the notes make it sound. I mean really, if we did it that way our Bridge Officers would all be wearing blue-gray and beige and what fun would that be?


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# 758
03-29-2011, 04:27 PM
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Amazing work!
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Great work on the TOS bundle, Blackavaar! Awesome as always!
Thank you and thank you!

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# 759
03-30-2011, 12:41 AM
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Those notes are faulty. Even in the very movie (Search for Spock) where you can clearly see the winsor green collars on the Medical Security Officers you see Security Officers at the door to Spock's quarters earlier wearing Black collars. Memory Alpha is not perfect.
Those notes are not faulty. Those notes were used during the movies and BTW a dark green can appear black if the lighting is weak.

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Captain / Commodore Dress Uniform - Gold
Captain / Commodore Dress Uniform - Green
Captain / Commodore Dress Uniform Skirt - Gold
Captain / Commodore Dress Uniform Skirt - Green
Well, thats only the Captain Dress Uniform. The Commodore Dress Uniform is slightly different:Commodore Stone in Dress Uniform
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Lieutenant / Lt. Commander Dress Uniform - Red
Lieutenant / Lt. Commander Dress Uniform Skirt- Red
That's also only the Lieutenant Commander Dress Uniform. The Dress Uniform for lieutenants and below lack the gold piping running down the front, but they wear the assignment patch and their rank insignia.
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# 760
03-30-2011, 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BarbarossaRotbart
Those notes are not faulty. Those notes were used during the movies and BTW a dark green can appear black if the lighting is weak.
Just watch the movie, you'll see. It's a brightly lit hallway and their collars are clearly black.

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Well, thats only the Captain Dress Uniform. The Commodore Dress Uniform is slightly different:Commodore Stone in Dress Uniform

That's also only the Lieutenant Commander Dress Uniform. The Dress Uniform for lieutenants and below lack the gold piping running down the front, but they wear the assignment patch and their rank insignia.
Well, those versions aren't available, are they? So, we have to make due with what we have. Stop being so nit-picky. If you don't like my choices don't use them. It's just a guide after all, a foundation on which you can build. Use what you like, dismiss the rest. It's not meant to be the end all be all of Trek canon. It can't be anyway with the limited color choices we have in-game.

Edit: And btw, the mission patches are unique to the individual and rank braids are never worn on Dress Uniforms.


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