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# 761
04-11-2011, 05:02 PM
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Traditionally the rank of Commodore is granted to the leader of a task force or squadron who is of equal rank to other officers within the group in order to establish chain of command.

So if you have a squadron of 12 ships where the commanding officers consist of 3 Captains, 4 Commanders and 5 Lt. Commanders you would give one Captain the temporary rank of Commodore to denote the fact that his orders supersede those of the other captains.
commodore was also a Fleet Captain, via http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Fleet_captain
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# 762
04-12-2011, 03:45 AM
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commodore was also a Fleet Captain, via http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Fleet_captain
did you really read the whole thing? fleet captain appears to be the rank mate. but yes traditional commodores commanded fleets, we have been thru this.

secondly, if you followed the primary lore of it all. chris pike was a starfleet captain that died on a planet in a TOS episode. on the flip side, with the universe STO runs on. Chris pike made it to Admiral, and passed on with natural causes.

making the information you have provided either a mirror universe, or because in all the episodes ive so far re-watched in the passed few days i have not yet heard "fleet captain" said.

honestly people can we get over the fact that starfleet uses admirals as rank. like yeah starfleet may still have commodores but they dont command starships or fleets anymore. they just mare honorary ranking, just like to day.
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# 763
04-12-2011, 05:15 AM
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did you really read the whole thing?

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secondly, if you followed the primary lore of it all. chris pike was a starfleet captain that died on a planet in a TOS episode. on the flip side, with the universe STO runs on. Chris pike made it to Admiral, and passed on with natural causes.
Um... no. The STO timeline is the same one in which Kirk, Spock, and company drop off a grievously disfigured Fleet Captain Pike on Talos IV, where he presumably lived out his remaining days within a pleasant illusion, as related in the TOS episode(s) Menagerie. Read the STO Timeline page for more information on how the divergent timeline relates to the "prime" one.
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# 764
04-12-2011, 10:15 AM
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Um... no. The STO timeline is the same one in which Kirk, Spock, and company drop off a grievously disfigured Fleet Captain Pike on Talos IV, where he presumably lived out his remaining days within a pleasant illusion, as related in the TOS episode(s) Menagerie. Read the STO Timeline page for more information on how the divergent timeline relates to the "prime" one.
and if your going to show anything read the STO timeline on how it relates to the movie.

btw, kirk was killed in the nexus. nice try thou.
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# 765
04-12-2011, 10:53 AM
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and if your going to show anything read the STO timeline on how it relates to the movie.

btw, kirk was killed in the nexus. nice try thou.
BAH ... I like Shatner's version / universe where his book's have the borg resurrecting him and bringing him back from the dead which adds him to the TNG timeline.
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# 766
04-12-2011, 11:04 AM
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and if your going to show anything read the STO timeline on how it relates to the movie.

btw, kirk was killed in the nexus. nice try thou.
You know, there's an easy way to determine which timeline we're in.

In the Prime Timeline, Romulus was destroyed in 2387.

In the JJTrek Timeline, Vulcan was destroyed over 100 years earlier by Nero.

If Vulcan is gone, you're in JJTrek. If Romulus is gone, you're in the Prime Timeline.

In STO, the Romulans are still dealing with the loss of Romulus. Therefore, STO takes place in the Prime Timeline.

You can also check this page for more confirmation of this fact.
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# 767
04-12-2011, 01:19 PM
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You know, there's an easy way to determine which timeline we're in.

In the Prime Timeline, Romulus was destroyed in 2387.

In the JJTrek Timeline, Vulcan was destroyed over 100 years earlier by Nero.

If Vulcan is gone, you're in JJTrek. If Romulus is gone, you're in the Prime Timeline.

In STO, the Romulans are still dealing with the loss of Romulus. Therefore, STO takes place in the Prime Timeline.

You can also check this page for more confirmation of this fact.
so you never read the STO timeline than, you only linked and said; "hey your wrong im right here is a timeline"

i read it one not when i was bored at work. the 2 time lines are connected. Kirk did die in the nexus. Romulus was destroyed by nero, but was intercepted in time by the crew of the enterprise and destroyed. Pike lived out his commission as a Starfleet Admiral. after all of that the rest of the episodes and movies of Star trek lore fit in they own little way. there are even some missions where it discussed nero. infact if you did skip the starting intro movie, you would here spock telling us what has happened to him, having met nero.

i love it when im called a idiot. makes me feel great.
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# 768
04-12-2011, 01:21 PM
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BAH ... I like Shatner's version / universe where his book's have the borg resurrecting him and bringing him back from the dead which adds him to the TNG timeline.
which book is that? need to get it, nearly finished the 4th book in the mirror/shattered glass series. good books, can have sad endings thou.
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# 769
04-12-2011, 01:42 PM
Remember Doc Brown's chalkboard description in Back to the Future 2? That's what we have here with the JJ Movie.

The original timeline went along to the point where Romulus was destroyed. Nero travelled back to a point in history prior to that and time diverged at that point. There are now two timelines, though they are the same up until the point where Nero diverged things. From that divergence, time proceeds along two separate, unconnected paths.

One is the "Prime" timeline, which STO is set in. In it, all the TV shows and movies (except the JJ movie) happen as we remember. Kirk was lost (and presumably still exists) in the Nexus, and Romulus was destroyed.

The other is JJ's timeline. We don't know HOW the story progresses because Nero made changes to things (and because JJ's vision is so inconsistent and irrational that there's no way to make logical guesses). In this timeline, Kirk might NOT be lost to the Nexus and Romulus might NOT be destroyed.


The point of all this is that the two timelines DO NOT interact, except at the point of divergence.
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# 770
04-12-2011, 01:44 PM
Star Trek: the Return-written by William Shatner and Judith&Garfield Reeves-Stevens. The prequel to this is Ashes of Eden. Books after the Return are; Avenger, Spectre, Dark Victory, and Preserver. There are others and I highly recommend these books to anyone who loves TOS and TNG.
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