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# 71
11-05-2010, 02:27 PM
They should be equal but different, IMO. With the changes to the Empire coming in Season 3 and 4 it's becoming it's own faction and less dependent on the Federation.
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# 72
11-05-2010, 02:30 PM
alright let me first say this: i have absolutely NO problem with carriers being a KDF only ship, the problem i have is best described by the following situation i ran into the other day in an arena,

4 cruisers and an escort vs 2 carriers and 3 BoPs.

now 2 of those cruisers were Tac officers and i knew it was an unbalanced match in terms of skills available and that we'd prolly lose, thats fine bad match ups happen. If one throws a fit every time nothing will come of it but high blood pressure and a rage quit.

The problem: it wasn't just a poor matchup loss it was a bloody slaughter, the KDF tactics were well planned the carriers stuck together covered each other and spawned BoPs and fighters, we tried to engage carriers, while the other helped keep it healed the BoPs would decloak flying through the NPCs -which made targeting them almost impossible by tab or clicking-, and would rip us a part, we try taking down the BoPs they cloak and run while the NPCs and carriers pound us, we try to clear npcs for breathing room we get hit by the BoPs again. We split fire to hold off bops and we get we get burned down -albeit slower- by attrition of the BoPs, NPCs and carriers. None of us could inflict significant enough damage for a kill. we could run maybe two of the bops off before most of the team was dead. Now none of us were using Warp plasma, and i don't know how much that would have helped, or how much a good science ship would have changed things. Does that seem even semi-balanced to anyone? there might well be something i'm missing i'd love to know what it is,

I don't mind losing to superior tactics and teamwork, it happens, i KNOW i'm no where near the best at PVP I DON'T want carriers nerfed necessarily i just want to be able to have a match with people where it's not a total one-sided wipe out, for EITHER side. Because getting a premade wiped everytime there's a carrier on the map is just plain ridiculous, the avg score against one carrier lately in my experience is about 15-3 when its 2 or more carriers? 15-0 everytime. excuse me if that doesn't seem right now matter the what the fed team's build is. Is there ANYWAY to successfully counter(equal) a carrier and it's swarm even with a science ship?

i have to say the biggest annoyance in that fight was trying to target the player bops when they attacked, is there a bind for targeting Nearest attacking player ship? if not there needs to be, trying to cycle through 10 ships, fighters, and mines, with mouse or keyboards does NOT work fast enough to stay alive.

Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions?
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# 73
11-05-2010, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mirror-Master
Probably best to let Klingons keep the one unique game feature they have anyway.
The Carrier is a not unique. It's a Science vessel.

Both factions have cruisers and escorts, and each one has a unqiue class: the Feds have science vessels, and the Klings have the BOP.

Except, the Klingons ALSO have a science vessel (and are getting another one) and it's also the most unique and powerful one in the game.

So, what the Feds need is a BoP that's stronger than the current T5 BoP.
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# 74
11-05-2010, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Valias
By the way, here is some excellent advice on Anti-Carrier Tactics for the people who still think a carrier should be dealt with like any other ship. Read it, team up and give the Klingons a challenge.
That's a great read, thanks Valias.
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# 75
11-05-2010, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by StormShade
We've stated this a couple of times in the past. have aWe don't currently ny plans to add a carrier type vessel to Starfleet.

This doesn't mean that it will never happen, however, right now, it's not something on our radar.

Thanks,

Stormshade
I have seen this before (the part in bold red)... in translation it means, it will happen, just not yet, as while it is an active topic we may suffer for it and take flak for it.

I'm not being nasty StormShade, so please do not take my comment the wrong way, but even you should admit, there was a conversation about cloaking that had the same comment as you made at the end of it... and now, the "Klingon ONLY ability" to cloak went to the Feds

Carrier will go the same way, oddly enough.. as much as I shall fight against it, part of me wants the Feds to have it, just so they can see it is not as good as they thing it is.

HappyHappyJoyJoy : You have REALLY (and I do mean "REALLY") surprised me, in the past 15 years I have never found anyone who will use logic and reason to argue points and counter points to what someone has posted on a fourm - I may have been lacking in MMO fourms, as I have not played "all" MMO games since 1997, so I "may have" (ok, I know I have missed some real nice people who can think an argument through before posting) missed some things, but I think we may have to agree to dis-agree on this topic - saying that, I would like to refer to something I said before, but expand on it.... in my personal opinion KDF can drop the Carrier (and new Gorn Sci ship) and make the BoP the KDF Sci ship - Give it the subsystem abilities for beams and the AUX power boost, job done, KDF Sci ship with it's special of Battle Cloak, for a Sci ship that is waaay more than enough at any tier... what more do you need??? that is "perfect" in my mind - but thats me, I'm strange

As for other comments, I agree with HappyHappyJoyJoy, what we have posted so far is no where near a "wall of text"... I can point you fourm threads that have them, but what Happy and I have done, is not, and does not class as a wall of text.

I must also agree (as a Tech Support Person), if the disscusion between Happy and myself "hurts your eyes", then you need to sort your monitor out, turn it up to 75Hz and turn the brightness down a touch - that solves most eye problems out and reduces the chance of you gaining a headache or eye strain while using your PC.

Proberly missed other comments and responses, I did read them all before posting... but in the time it took me to get this far... I have drank a bottle of Vodka... so spelling and grammer has been hard so far... trying to respond to everyone.... forget it, I'm waaaaay to drunk. Sorry if I did not comment on your reply, your points are valid, but I'm too drunk to answer everyone right now (spell check is my friend )
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# 76
11-08-2010, 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by StormShade
We've stated this a couple of times in the past. We don't currently have any plans to add a carrier type vessel to Starfleet.

This doesn't mean that it will never happen, however, right now, it's not something on our radar.

Thanks,

Stormshade
how come the feds cant have a carrier even though ive seen them in ds9 and in some next gen episodes and even the writers said that the feds did have carriers it would be nice for the feds to have one to balance things out
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# 77
11-08-2010, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by gx4th View Post
Had to make those 2 minor changes Roach, hope ya don't mind. (Buff KDF, I want a Bird of Prey that can initiate ramming speed at 100% hull health AND cloaked)
No worries from me.
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# 78
05-17-2011, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by StormShade
We've stated this a couple of times in the past. We don't currently have any plans to add a carrier type vessel to Starfleet.

This doesn't mean that it will never happen, however, right now, it's not something on our radar.

Thanks,

Stormshade
Good! Thank you! I wouldn't want all the spam in PvP
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# 79
05-17-2011, 06:27 PM
This post has been edited to remove the possibility of me continuing an argument that's been dead for over half a year now. -- Resz, God-King of Awesome.
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# 80
05-17-2011, 06:34 PM
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Good! Thank you! I wouldn't want all the spam in PvP
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