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# 21
06-09-2011, 11:28 AM
Thanks. I will get the shields and play around with it to see. Has anyone used the siphon skill?
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# 22
06-09-2011, 11:28 AM
With the rapid fire transphasic torpedo, the breen set isn't an entirely bad deal. It could be good for an escort that specializes in transphasic torps because you get the boost to energy transfer and a free energy siphon (which can help out more than you think).

As for a science ship, it's already a very skill intensive build so you might miss those points you spend in transphasic. It CAN work for a build if you put your mind to it, but it would be rather specialized (not that there's anything wrong with that).

I could actually see a B'rel rocking this set pretty well. I hear transphais is popular with them because of their fire on cloak ability.
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# 23
06-09-2011, 11:28 AM
Covariant shields are really the only shields worth using the other types are worthless...

Resilient Shield Array's have 5% less total capacity and regeneration over the normal shield array and normal shield arrays are complete garbage. The only thing u get is 5% less bleed through vs. the standard 10% which isnt enough to make them worth while.

Regenerative Shield Array's have 15% less total capacity but 25% higher regeneration over the normal shield array which even with your shield power setting set to full will be less than the normal incoming damage and also will require you to gimp a more useful power setting such as weapons or aux.

I honestly think the breen set is total garbage the boost to transphasics at the most brings them up to the lvl of barely competitive with other torpedoes and the Energy Siphon is just useless. Mind you that in addition to the lack luster set bonus your giving up the far better set bonus of either the borg or aegis set which either mitigates damage or regenerates shields.
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# 24
06-09-2011, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Raso
With the rapid fire transphasic torpedo, the breen set isn't an entirely bad deal. It could be good for an escort that specializes in transphasic torps because you get the boost to energy transfer and a free energy siphon (which can help out more than you think). .
no no no no no no no. and no. The faster shot is BAD. its a horrible joke. AND the torps are not part of the set. as it almost sounds like you think it is, im not sure if you do, but it kinda sounds that way.

here is why.

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Originally Posted by Axterix
Your numbers for the rapid fire seem off.

The rapid fire has a base value of about 80% (most likely 80.9% or 8.5/10.5) of a normal transphasic. For me, with Mk Xs (what I happened to check with), for example, a Transphasic shows 1956, while the rapid fire shows 1580. Both have a DPS rating of 186.

In essence, the rapid fire Transphasic is a white common item, that trades off some burst potential for greater smoothness due to firing more frequently.

Given the nature of torpedoes, with a player wanting to time them when shields are down, potentially not being able to utilize their max rate of fire due to limited firing arc, and the use HY torp BOff powers, this makes the rapid fire inferior to the regular version.

It is, sadly, a bad joke played on us by the devs.

To be a proper purple item, it needs to:
1. Do higher dps than a normal transphasic, as compensation for losing burst damage.
2. Get 3 bonus worth of things (2% crit, an extra 0.5 tier of damage, etc) to actually make it purple.
set is mediocre, even the devs said that. Its not as good as aegis, and aegis is not as good as borg set. However the set is designed to be "useful" when doing the breen missions...does it have some cool things about it, yes...do I want to try it out, yes...but the torps are a horible joke. get the crafted high end if you want transphasics.
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# 25
06-09-2011, 11:28 AM
i have to disagree the aegis set is far better than the borg set for a variety of reasons mainly the shield and engines are better.
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# 26
06-09-2011, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by CardassianNinja View Post
Thanks. I will get the shields and play around with it to see. Has anyone used the siphon skill?
yes, it seems to be energy siphon 1. still somewhat useful.
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# 27
06-09-2011, 11:28 AM
Well I'm glad I made this thread. I will be trying the Borg missions soon!
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# 28
06-09-2011, 11:28 AM
I know there's quite a bit of debate about this set but the devs have pretty plainly stated that the breen set was made with fighting the breen in mind.

Now you have the set bonus with polaron resist that helps with the beams, but what a lot of people overlook is that resilient shields are better against transphasic than other shields.

Any other shield has 10% bleedthrough which, after some cryptic math works out to 28% bleedthrough fo transphasics. Now a resilient has 5% and after applying the same equations comes to 24% bleedthrough.

So it isn't much but it is an improvement against breen which iirc are the only PvE mobs to use transphasics.
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# 29
06-09-2011, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kokikami View Post
i have to disagree the aegis set is far better than the borg set for a variety of reasons mainly the shield and engines are better.
I have to disagree. I use the full Borg set on my science officer's science vessel. I feel that the shield and hull regen is superior for that type of ship due the the science ships' innate higher shields. Cov. shields are nice, don't get me wrong, but with the regen of the Borg set, and cap/regen consoles, my shields hardly ever go down. The higher capacity is moot if you can't regen shields fast enough. The Aegis engines are better than the Borg at a higher eng power setting, but I generally run with low engines on my sci to add more to aux, with a balance to weapons and shields.


The Breen set isn't too terrible. Definitely worth it against the Breen, because it seems to completely negate their attacks. But to be used at end-game regularly? Probably not. I do like the engines for my escort because it bumps my defense bonus a bit, but I have no use really for the rest of the set when I'm not fighting Breen, so I pretty much stick with my Aegis on my escort. I need the shield cap for my tactical officers space play style.
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# 30
06-09-2011, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BalanceOfTerror
The borg sensor array isn't any good for a science ship... lets face it, if you don't use the defector skill your probably not playing sci properly.
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Are you serious? Borg deflector gives +5 to aux and boosts sensors (for sensor scan) and emitters (for hazard emitters and tractor beams). Combine with Borg console and breen engine and resilient shields. I guess I don't play science properly.

Not arguing, just agreeing backwards. I did put your resilient shields on.
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