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# 41 umm...
06-16-2011, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Romulus_Prime View Post
The Klingon aspect is nill since it wasn't in the final cut. And giant plot holes bug you? Wow, don't ever watch Nemesis then...


How, if it's not piloted by Borg or sending out any sort of signal?
Yet another plot hole! Even if it was not mentioned in the movie cut its still an important plot point and should have been included.

You can't see how advance tech from the future might attract the Borg?
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# 42
06-16-2011, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by StarTrekRon
Yet another plot hole! Even if it was not mentioned in the movie cut its still an important plot point and should have been included.
Not really? He basically ended up further in the past (of the alternate timeline) than Spock did. He's waiting for him all that time and in the process, does the calculation necessary to figure out when and where Spock gets spit out. The Klink part = whatevah. Even if it's left in there, consider that they KNOW it's high tech and want Nero to show them the ropes rather than them risk destroying/damaging it, or setting off an auto-destruct <----- something Romulans are known for.


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You can't see how advance tech from the future might attract the Borg
And they know about it how? You just made a plot hole in your own counterpoint.

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# 43
06-16-2011, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Nagorak View Post
Whether you loved it or hated it, Abrams' movie simply wasn't even Star Trek at all.
Lol, yet -

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Regarding Nemesis. I don't think it was a great movie. I think it was too dark and brooding and the Picard clone plot was absurd. Finding B4 also seemed contrived.
So somehow, these things make that bad movie Trek, but JJ's doesn't make the cut.

Riiiiight.

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# 44
06-16-2011, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Romulus_Prime View Post
Lol, yet -


So somehow, these things make that bad movie Trek, but JJ's doesn't make the cut.

Riiiiight.

That's right.

The ridiculous plot aspects of the movie wasn't why the 2009 didn't count, it was because it lacked any sort of Star Trek mentality. The morals and values that are inherent to Star Trek were completely lost. In the end it just became a generic action flick where the goal of the heroes was to kill the bad guys. The movie would have worked just as well if it starred Ahnold as Kirk.
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# 45
06-16-2011, 03:29 PM
It doesn't make sense that Nero would have parked his ship somewhere somewhere and just sat for two decades. Nero was frickin nuts he woulda been out causing all sorts of havoc, the Klingon backstory should have been in the film to clairify this.
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# 46
06-16-2011, 03:38 PM
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That's right.

The ridiculous plot aspects of the movie wasn't why the 2009 didn't count, it was because it lacked any sort of Star Trek mentality.
You forgot a key destinctive aspect here - In your opinion.

I felt the last Trek movie was far more Trek and any of the TNG movies, especially when compared to Nemesis and Generations which, in their own way, killed 2 iconic entities:

1. The TNG crew (AND ship) are axed and replaced with characters who are trying too hard to be funny and trying too hard to be action stars.

2. The icon that was Captain James T. Kirk is killed off for....what exactly? Why?


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The morals and values that are inherent to Star Trek were completely lost.
LOL - really? How? Like how it was lost by showing a mind-****, dune buggy chase, boob jokes, drunk jokes, a murderous Captain Picard, etc? Please, don't just throw a claim and run. Explain how the new one loses these "moral" aspects you claim that it does.

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In the end it just became a generic action flick where the goal of the heroes was to kill the bad guys.
In the end, that's how most of the popular Trek movies turn out. Kill Khan, kill Chang, kill the Borg queen. Everything leading up to it is either great, decent, or written to make enough sense to lead to this, but it all ends up the same.


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The movie would have worked just as well if it starred Ahnold as Kirk
Not really.
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# 47
06-16-2011, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by StarTrekRon
It doesn't make sense that Nero would have parked his ship somewhere somewhere and just sat for two decades. Nero was frickin nuts he woulda been out causing all sorts of havoc
Last I checked, he's a Romulan, and Romulans are known for being "quiet" for decades. This isn't atypical behavior.
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