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# 11
06-26-2011, 06:07 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but I hope we *don't* get to play the Enterprise-F. I hope she stays an NPC ship.

There's only one Enterprise, and I'd rather see her appearing throughout the galaxy at critical moments in adventures than in the hands of every two-bit captain in PvP.

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# 12
06-26-2011, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ball_Saxbury
I know I'm in the minority, but I hope we *don't* get to play the Enterprise-F. I hope she stays an NPC ship.

There's only one Enterprise, and I'd rather see her appearing throughout the galaxy at critical moments in adventures than in the hands of every two-bit captain in PvP.

actually, there will only be one enterprise... the ship CALLED Enterprise every other ship of the class will just be that, ships of the class
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# 13
06-26-2011, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Ball_Saxbury
I know I'm in the minority, but I hope we *don't* get to play the Enterprise-F. I hope she stays an NPC ship.

There's only one Enterprise, and I'd rather see her appearing throughout the galaxy at critical moments in adventures than in the hands of every two-bit captain in PvP.

It's already been said that the class will be a playable class at some point in Season 4.
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# 14
06-26-2011, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Vampeiyre
There is no such thing as Tier 6. So, what you describe would be ridiculously imbalanced and overpowered.
Agreed ... It has to be on par with the current layouts of current ship BO power / ability levels.

I don't believe we will go much beyond what we have currently. What I do see (off subject for a moment) is the introduction of a first officer as well support ships whenever they raise the cap.

For this new class, gonna think on the possible BOff possibilities first.

Can you imagine this bird with a universal Cmdr or Lt. Cmdr slot? ... It *IS* the class that will field the next flagship, after all.
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# 15
06-26-2011, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Trek17
actually, there will only be one enterprise... the ship CALLED Enterprise every other ship of the class will just be that, ships of the class
Yeap .... How many Galaxy class ships and Sovereigns were rolling around when the Enterprise was one of each? ... Heck ... How many Sovereigns in 2409 and she's still rolling around.
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# 16
06-26-2011, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
guys seriously, no ship at tier 5 has 2 LTCOM stations, stop suggesting that this ship have them! giving up an ENS station so a LT station can being turned into a LTCOM station is no way in hell a fair trade.
Nice to know that we can just get ordered to stop suggesting things. Dude, the attitude, tone it a little down, please? Many of your posts lately come off as brusque and patronizing; and this frankly makes you unpleasant to interact with (your big manbear avatar might not help that impression either).

I'm of the school of thought that it's not because it hasn't been tried that it's necessarily wrong - the 12 power limit appears more important, and the Klingon carrier does set precedent. The in-testing Intrepid (2x Cmd slots) broke ground there even though it was changed to Cmd, Lt.Com, En afterwards. The Excelsior and MVAM Prometheus showed that you could have a Lt.Cmd bridge officer seat outside the usual ship specialization.

This said, I think - with the purpose of engineering priority, but allowing other profession specialization - that Blayze had the better idea with fixing the tactical/science stations to Lieutenant, and putting the universal slot to Lt.Com instead. That enforces that you can choose from a Tac/Sci penchant in your bridge officer layout, but don't get to have Lt.Com abilities from both. It's a bit more balanced than my setup.

Though I actually chose mine because I wanted to avoid putting a 'too-powerful' universal station on the ship, and avoid pro-KDF players crying foul further than the Nebula-class.
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# 17
06-27-2011, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
guys seriously, no ship at tier 5 has 2 LTCOM stations, stop suggesting that this ship have them! giving up an ENS station so a LT station can being turned into a LTCOM station is no way in hell a fair trade. the only fair setup is one with 1 COM station, 1 LTCOM station, 2 LT staions and 1 ENS station
oh my this is hilarious, giving up an ensign slot to turn a Lt station into an LtCom station is EXACTLY what the Klingon carrier does. How about you check your fact next time and maybe you'll look less like a troll?

As for the whole T5 or T6 thing well I am already pretty damn tired of all the TOS crap everywhere I look. So if the new enterprise isn't leap and bonds better than a stupid Exelsior refit they can kiss my money goodbye I am not paying for a game with no respect for immerssion or canon . I know there are plenty plot hole in the game already, but they all add up bits by bits and there is only so much I can take.
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# 18
06-27-2011, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SilverSera
oh my this is hilarious, giving up an ensign slot to turn a Lt station into an LtCom station is EXACTLY what the Klingon carrier does. How about you check your fact next time and maybe you'll look less like a troll?

As for the whole T5 or T6 thing well I am already pretty damn tired of all the TOS crap everywhere I look. So if the new enterprise isn't leap and bonds better than a stupid Exelsior refit they can kiss my money goodbye I am not paying for a game with no respect for immerssion or canon . I know there are plenty plot hole in the game already, but they all add up bits by bits and there is only so much I can take.
Yes the carrier does but for the sheer fact that the the turn rate is so bad that it gives up a lot. So if they want to do that to the F make it slow moving lumbering cruiser go for it.

I see it being a Star cruiser variant or this

Cmdr Eng
Lt Eng
Lt Tac
Lt Sci
Lt uni.

With a 3/2/2 and extra 1 slot you can slot any type of console for more eng/tac/or sci
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# 19
06-27-2011, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Zoberraz View Post
Nice to know that we can just get ordered to stop suggesting things. Dude, the attitude, tone it a little down, please? Many of your posts lately come off as brusque and patronizing; and this frankly makes you unpleasant to interact with (your big manbear avatar might not help that impression either).

the man bear is an attention grabber, before i used it less then 1% of my posts got notice or replied too, though it does seem to give my post an unintended aggression about them that may not be perceived if it wasn't there. but, the only reason i sound patronizing is because you should all know better, if you have any character at level cap.


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I'm of the school of thought that it's not because it hasn't been tried that it's necessarily wrong - the 12 power limit appears more important, and the Klingon carrier does set precedent. The in-testing Intrepid (2x Cmd slots) broke ground there even though it was changed to Cmd, Lt.Com, En afterwards. The Excelsior and MVAM Prometheus showed that you could have a Lt.Cmd bridge officer seat outside the usual ship specialization.

This said, I think - with the purpose of engineering priority, but allowing other profession specialization - that Blayze had the better idea with fixing the tactical/science stations to Lieutenant, and putting the universal slot to Lt.Com instead. That enforces that you can choose from a Tac/Sci penchant in your bridge officer layout, but don't get to have Lt.Com abilities from both. It's a bit more balanced than my setup.

Though I actually chose mine because I wanted to avoid putting a 'too-powerful' universal station on the ship, and avoid pro-KDF players crying foul further than the Nebula-class.
in my many posts that most people would have a hard time calling brusque and patronizing, i have often talk about the need for more divers and unique station setups, I'm probably the top supporter of that concept. but every time they have proposed massively overpowered multiple Commander or multiple LTCommander station setups like the in testing intrepid and excelsior, it got shouted down immediately, much more harshly then i did.

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Originally Posted by SilverSera
oh my this is hilarious, giving up an ensign slot to turn a Lt station into an LtCom station is EXACTLY what the Klingon carrier does. How about you check your fact next time and maybe you'll look less like a troll?
wow, holier than thou and wrong, how about that. couldn't have said it any better then captain data there. the carriers are unique in every way, of course they have a unique station setup. but the new enterprise is a cruiser, no cruiser, escort, science ship, raptor, or battle cruiser has a station setup like that so the enterprise cant ether.
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# 20
06-28-2011, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Vampeiyre
There is no such thing as Tier 6. So, what you describe would be ridiculously imbalanced and overpowered.
ha, while your proposed stats wouldnt be "ridiculously imbalanced and overpowered" at al...
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