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# 21
06-28-2011, 08:15 PM
I'm happy with the result, but I'm never happy when I agree with Scalia.
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# 22
06-28-2011, 08:25 PM
thats old news.
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# 23
06-28-2011, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by cmdraftbrn View Post
thats old news.
Old news?

It was announced less than 48 hours ago. How is that old news?
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# 24
06-29-2011, 10:29 AM
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Banned games, really? Like what? I never knew Germany had laws like that.
hmm... the last one i remember was "Dead Rising" (Xbox 360) that was banned

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Could you name examples?
I would like to see how Steam handles Austria, since we usally get the same versions Germany does... (At least regarding to hard Copies)
Austria actually gets uncut version that we in Germany happily import from you because it is a safe bet that it includes the German snycro.

to name a few Steam examples:

Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 "Low Violence: German low violence version only available with German language"
Fallout 3 "Low Violence: German low violence version only available with German language"
Fallout New Vegas "Low Violence: German low violence version only available with German language"
Medal of Honor "Notice: Low Violence Version"
Team Fortress 2 "Low Violence: Low Violence Version" (yes that COMIC shooter from valve!!!)
Half Life 2 "Notice: Low Violence Version"

...
and those are only the CUT but available versions.

We are allowed to buy everything with an 18 rating, but if it does not receive an 18 rating it lands on the "index" of the BPjM then it is forbidden to be advertised, and therefore cant be sold digitally or put on display in a Shop.
It is still *allowed* to sell these indexed games under the table and NO we do not have Porno-like 18+ sections for Games and never will have them.


The BPjM also has a A and B list... i don't know which is which but if it lands on the "Super Evil"-list then the game is BANNED, like Dead Rising, which means it is forbidden to be sold by anyone.


And now you guys tell me that in the US such laws are considered a violation to freedom of speech... HA!

...and does all that help?
NOPE... if the 13 year old Counter Strike kid wants to play that stuff he just starts Bit Torrent and there goes your million tax funded Child Protection System.

The Logos aren't getting any smaller either
http://shooter-szene.4players.de/alb...crysis_usk.gif
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# 25
06-29-2011, 10:39 AM
I never played Dead Rising, except for the lackluster demo. I'm assuming Grand Theft Auto would also meet that criteria?
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# 26
06-29-2011, 10:53 AM
GTA4 has a 18 rating so does Dead Space 1 + 2 and they are uncut afaik.
the only thing they changed in Dead Space 2 was to deactivate friendly fire in multiplayer mode, you still can get all your limbs and your head ripped off by an alien, that doesn't matter.

I did not say that the system would make sense, actually it is completely biased from where i sit...
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# 27
06-29-2011, 10:55 AM
Freedom of speech is a good thing, as long as it is not used beyond reason...

We danes can speak to that xD
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# 28
06-29-2011, 11:08 AM
''thanks god for making me not to be born in germany''

In Holland we dont ban games
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# 29
06-29-2011, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Peregrine_Falcon View Post
As a parent of two young children myself, I can certainly understand the objections that some parents have to violent video games.

As an adult however, I dislike how they keep trying to make things illegal for adults just so they won't have to take the time to parent their own children.
I could never, ever agree more. I have no children, but have friends that do and I am amazed about how passive they are towards them: they have no idea what their kids are on about. I saw the boxes of Call of Duty and Saints Row laying nearby an Xbox 360 owned by a 7 years old.

Parents need to understand that videogames are not designed with children in mind anymore, they're geared towards an adult audience; it's silly to call for bans just because they're are a lousy, self-absorbed parent that can't be bothered to understand what is that game that hos/her son/daughter wants so badly.

There are games that are appropriate for a child and games that aren't; Although there will definitely be a situation at hands when said child starts first grade and learns that all of his/her mates are playing CoD on Xbox Live.

This said, I still think that children should be less about PS3s, Xboxes and iPhones and more about LEGO...heck, give me a big LEGO box now and you'll see a 31 years old sitting on the floor tinkering with colorful plastic bricks
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# 30
06-29-2011, 02:03 PM
[quote=h3llr4iser;3616331]I still think that children should be less about PS3s, Xboxes and iPhonesQUOTE]

I agree with this statement. While I don't have a problem with children playing video games, I can say from personal experience that a child too absorbed with them will not want to do anything else. The original Nintendo came out when I was a child. My father bought us one later on (as a matter of fact, I still own an original Nintendo, that is unless my wife hasn't sold it), but we didn't get to play it all the time. If we were to get into trouble, or our grades began to suffer, then our video game priviledges were taken away from us. When I became a teenager and my parents divorced, I got more into games. Even though I spent so much time playing video games, my parents were sure to instill in myself and my brother good values. I didn't go out in real life and emulate what I played, but I wasn't regulated on how much time I spent playing video games, and so my grades began to suffer. In fact, I barely graduated high school because I felt that school wasn't as important as playing video games. I still think that my math teacher gave me the one point I needed so that I could graduate and go to basic training on time. I don't regret it though. It worked out for me in the end, and I just hit 10 years in the Army on June 14th. I still love to play video games (we have epic COD: Black Ops games on the LAN every night over here), but my experiences have taught me what can happen when you have too much of something, so I am going to make sure that my daughers do better in school than I did.
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