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# 21
07-07-2011, 05:07 PM
I would totally be for them releasing more fighters and shuttles for KDF. I mean they have the models. KDF needs more shuttles and fighters to catch up to the feds.

And hell. When Shuttle and Fighter PVP finally comes. It would be nice for both factions to have a lot of choices.
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# 22
07-07-2011, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by thamupp View Post
dont get ship balance crap..

(defaint < raptor) craptor, sure.. some prefer it though, asked some guys in tsi
lolwut, you're saying the Raptor is better than the Defiant? even I know that's not true.
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# 23
07-07-2011, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Krizonar
lolwut, you're saying the Raptor is better than the Defiant? even I know that's not true.
i think its open for debate. i dont play much escort now but for example Rock that i have great respect for when it comes to dmg thinks the raptor is just as good. i know some people dislike the fact that it turns from the back..

But i dont think its much worse or im not even sure its worse. personal preference maybe..

make raptor defaint copy with slightly lower turn for an extra engi console.
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# 24
07-07-2011, 06:50 PM
Hale is one of a few people here that can say which one is better.

Personally, I find the Defiant more leathal due to the better turn rate. But the Raptor has slightly more of a punch due to the extra Engineering Console.
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# 25
07-08-2011, 12:06 AM
Vorcha < Assault Cruiser. Turn and cannons mean nothing. I play vorcha for fun (mostly because it looks evil and awesome) and it is not good at killing anything with cannons as the tactical boffs are too low. Only way I see this ship doing anything remotely useful would be an assault cruiser beam boat clone, but with less hull. Now if it had LTC tactical it would definitely be superior to the excel, however. I still think Klings should have a battlecruiser with Tact Comm, LTC Eng, LT Eng, Ensign Eng, LT sci. Klings get better damage, feds get better sci.

Defiant > Raptor easily. I cant believe there is even question.

Neghvar (my favourite ship in the game) and Galaxy (one of my fav fed ships as tng is my fav) are both useless imo. Ensign Engineer on a cruiser is extremely poor (please do not say EptW beam boat engineer healer, urgh, it does a whole lot of nothing). Theyre simply outclassed by the star cruisers and even the assault cruisers.
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# 26
07-08-2011, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Beagles View Post
Vorcha < Assault Cruiser.
Higher turn-rate still helps to position yourself and set up broadsides. Cloak, while not the biggest advantage in a premade setup for a cruiser, is still better than no cloak.

The extra hull may be a bit better overall, but both ships are pretty closely balanced. Unlike, say, the Raptor vs. the MVAM :p
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# 27
07-08-2011, 12:25 AM
Yea the assault and vorcha are close, the point was mainly that turning and cannons do jack. Even for broadside either a) youre not getting shot so simply evasive into position (vorcha isnt that good at turning where it wont need to do that) or b) theyre getting shot/trapped and neither have an advantage. Its a fun cool looking ship and nice in pugs to help bird teammates shoot down some fed cruisers, but for the most part it needs to play like a cruiser to be useful imo (even then I wouldnt take one in a premade).
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# 28
07-08-2011, 12:58 AM
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Vorcha < Assault Cruiser. Turn and cannons mean nothing. I play vorcha for fun (mostly because it looks evil and awesome) and it is not good at killing anything with cannons as the tactical boffs are too low. Only way I see this ship doing anything remotely useful would be an assault cruiser beam boat clone, but with less hull. Now if it had LTC tactical it would definitely be superior to the excel, however. I still think Klings should have a battlecruiser with Tact Comm, LTC Eng, LT Eng, Ensign Eng, LT sci. Klings get better damage, feds get better sci.
Maybe it should just be an Excelsior Clone with Cloak?
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