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# 41
07-15-2011, 07:28 AM
Klingon honor is very similar to the Romulans and their mnhei'sahe. The interpretation of it varies from person to person. That being said, since on KDF side, I have no true Klingon characters (Orion, Joined Trill, and Alien), they'd liberate them without question, but the Trill knows that re-integration is going to be akin to scaling Mount Everest. As in, a lot of uphill, nearly vertical, and a very long trip.
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# 42
07-15-2011, 08:03 AM
Klingons have never been known for their compassion, and they prefer not to take prisoners most of the time. To be captured is a great dishonor, and should you be discovered to be alive, it shames the family.

Klingons that die in battle go to Sto'vo'kor. Those who do not go to Grethor. To most Klingons an assimilated Klingon would be as good as dead already. Either because he was captured, or because he's technically a drone and as such as good as dead.

To rescue a dishonored warrior who has been captured is to waste the lives of warriors who are not. I always found the rescue mission into Federation space on the Klingon side to be flawed as well. From this perspective I cannot believe Klingons would liberate Borg of any kind.

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From a player perspective I can fully understand that some people want to play Borg, or freed Borg. I will not stop them. I'll probably never create a liberated Borg character myself, but who am I to judge others for having fun?

I cannot and will not tell others how to play their game, the bottom line is, the option to play a liberated Borg is there. I might find it problematic storywise, but there is a certain coolness to being a Borg.

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To tell the truth, I can't see the Empire accepting any non-Klingon as an equal warrior into the Klingon Defense Force, be he Gorn or Orion or any other species. People seem to forget, that beyond their pride and honor, Klingons believe their own species to be superior. "I am Klingon!" is a responce to any percieved non-klingon weakness. Klingons are in fact quite racist. I am sorry, but there, I said it.

Most species that aren't Federation seem to be at least somewhat racist. Including Romulans and Cardassians and the Dominion and so on..

That said, I accept that players that play on the Klingon side want to be something else than Klingon. I respect this. it is part of what makes STO such a good game overall, and the overall experience. To me, non-Klingons captaining a Klingon starship is just as strange as a liberated Borg doing so.

I still find it a part of the game and somewhat amusing, despite my own objections to it. Overall, I am happy if we all can simply enjoy the game.

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# 43
07-15-2011, 08:56 AM
I understand that the movies and the TV shows are all we really have to go bye in order to predict how Klingons will behave, but I think we sell Klingons short by saying their attitudes and philosophies can't evolve at all based on what we saw in the shows. It has been what, 30 years since the events of the Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, etc.? Attitudes and philosophies can change in a major way in that amount of time.

I played the "Blood of the Empire" mission last night. I was talking to the Loresingers in First City, and I asked one of them about Martok. The Loresinger mentioned how Martok, despite being a prisoner, managed to regain his honor and become Chancellor, and that he was accepted as such. The Loresinger went so far as to say that Martok's death at the hands of J'mpok was a great loss, and that the Loresingers, and others, had foreseen that Martok would lead the Empire to great things. I'm paraphrasing here.

On the Barge of the Dead, there is a reference to Klingons having lost their honor, not because they were taken prisoner, but because they died as prisoners.

My conclusion from these references is that being taken prisoner isn't necessarily the death of honor for Klingons. There is a chance for them to regain their honor.

As others have mentioned, Klingon Honor is nebulous and situational. There are two primary issues in this thread. After all the discussion and a review of some of the source material, I can't say for certain that a Klingon would or would not liberate a Klingon that had been assimilated. However, I'm comfortable with the notion that a Klingon that had been assimilated and then liberated could regain his honor and be accepted in the Empire.
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# 44
07-15-2011, 10:45 AM
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i watched birthright again the other day (tng; season 6 epps 16 and 17) and it showed klingons who would rather die than be freed, who chose to stay prisoners because the dishonor of returning would affect their families for 3 generations.

so surely the honorable way to liberate a klingon is with a bat'leth to the throat.

because of this i think the klinogn liberated race should be gorn, as a subdued race i dont think they care too much about their conquors sence of honor and a giant zombie lizard man robot appeals to me for some reason.

(note; i dont expect anything to acctualy change, just putting it out there that i dont think klingons would want to live after being captured)
The borg are diffrent they assamilitae, not capture. As to a liberated Klingon, one played a pivitol role in ST Voyage: Unimatrix 0. I think the Klingons would be more than happy to liberate Borg Klingons. Look at the power boost the worriers would recive. Excelent reflexes, increased strength, intellengce through the roof. Look at what the Klingon empire went through to try an attain the Human Augment DNA for there use.

You can only kill so many Borg before one of them gets its nanotubes in you.
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# 45
07-15-2011, 10:58 AM
This is the bio of my Klingon. It's how I saw my liberated Borg becoming Klingon again.
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"Sometimes... The greatest victory is not won with a blade my son..."

The parting words of Keh'lak, Kraag's adoptive father. Burned into Kraag's skull as surely as the scars that cross his cheek.

A former Borg tactical drone, Kraag was found by a Klingon raiding party wandering alone in the desert of Trelos III, deep inside the Azlesa Expanse. The raiding party approached Kraag, saw his Klingon heritage and immediated attacked to destroy what they saw as an abomination. The battle was swift and bloody... Kraag decimated the raiding party and ventured off, confused, into a nearby cave.

Wondering why comminucation had ceased with his party, the Captain of the I.K.S. Vok'loS sent another strike team. This time, a medical officer by the name of Commander Keh'lak was among them.

Transporting down to the last known location of the first team, Keh'lak immediately realised that the radiation signature in the location was Borg...

Reporting back to the Captain he recommended that whatever killed the team should be captured and studied for the benefit and glory of the Empire in future battles. It was a single drone after all. The Captain disagreed. Orders were sent to "Seek and destroy".

Keh'lak did not agree but drew his disruptor none-the-less. The hunt continued...

Back in the cave Kraag overheard the entire conversation and somehow, deep inside his mind, knew that this Klingon could help him. Battle ensued soon after and ended with eight Klingon slaughtered and Kraag's hands around Keh'lak's throat.

"Don't... don't..." growled Keh'lak, "I can help you".

Kraag's grip loosened and he dropped Keh'lak to the floor. Standing motionless over the helpless warrior he waited for Keh'lak to speak.

"Help me take over the ship and I will return you to your birthright! - You are not Borg.. YOU are KLINGON! ...and now, you are my Son"
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# 46
07-15-2011, 11:48 AM
Am I the only one who'd want to have a Liberated Borg Lethean? No need to worry about an honourable death when my honour is up for hire!

Who's with me?

... *crickets*
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# 47
07-15-2011, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Spectreofwar View Post
Am I the only one who'd want to have a Liberated Borg Lethean? No need to worry about an honourable death when my honour is up for hire!

Who's with me?

... *crickets*
Hey, I'm down so long as they let me make a Liberated Nausicaan... with an eye patch!
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