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Lt. Commander
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# 11
07-30-2011, 12:30 PM
Im not disagreeing with anything you've posted. Cryptic's set the bar so low that keybind / autofire is all it takes to win in pve, at any level.

Cryptic, always a measure of excellence
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# 12
08-01-2011, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Jermbot View Post
I'm not sure how many of the patrols lend themselves to easy porting over to repeatable dailies. I just did one where I investigated some ambushed frigates. I flew from one frigate to another, scanned them and determined the Romulans were to blame... the only other ship I saw was another player who joined my open instance group halfway through.

Rewriting a quest like that to be done from the Klingon perspective is really as simple as changing the scan dialogue and probably can be done in half an hour, but that's not a quest anyone will want to do more than once every 6 months.
Obviously "go scan a rock" type missions aren't worth bringing over, but there are plenty of missions that are combat oriented. And any map an be used to create a combat oriented mission.
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# 13
08-01-2011, 05:21 AM
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Im not disagreeing with anything you've posted. Cryptic's set the bar so low that keybind / autofire is all it takes to win in pve, at any level.

Cryptic, always a measure of excellence
Actually I think Cryptics method is genius. Playing in a very casual or limited way is viable for a large portion of the game so slower speed players will find it accessible. Playing at the highest levels... well, I remember reading a post from a pretty hardcore PVPer and he was talking about how he's keybound his ships weapons onto four different firing keys because if you get the timing right you get alot more damage and a much better rate of fire by manually firing off two weapons, then two more, then two more.

It's like boxing. At it's most basic level it's a sport about punching people and anyone can do it. At it's most refined level it's one of the most complex sports on earth.

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Obviously "go scan a rock" type missions aren't worth bringing over, but there are plenty of missions that are combat oriented. And any map an be used to create a combat oriented mission.
Yeah, we get plenty of those when exploring. But for Klingons that leaves Cryptic in the position of having to make sure any quest they port over has replay value. It's more complicated than just grabbing a map... and the more complicated it gets the longer it will take.
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# 14
08-01-2011, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Jermbot View Post
Actually I think Cryptics method is genius. Playing in a very casual or limited way is viable for a large portion of the game so slower speed players will find it accessible. Playing at the highest levels... well, I remember reading a post from a pretty hardcore PVPer and he was talking about how he's keybound his ships weapons onto four different firing keys because if you get the timing right you get alot more damage and a much better rate of fire by manually firing off two weapons, then two more, then two more.

It's like boxing. At it's most basic level it's a sport about punching people and anyone can do it. At it's most refined level it's one of the most complex sports on earth.



Yeah, we get plenty of those when exploring. But for Klingons that leaves Cryptic in the position of having to make sure any quest they port over has replay value. It's more complicated than just grabbing a map... and the more complicated it gets the longer it will take.
Only marginally. Look at the existing sorties, place mobs, add text, add objectives. Done.
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# 15
08-01-2011, 08:46 AM
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Only marginally. Look at the existing sorties, place mobs, add text, add objectives. Done.
Well, to a point but I imagine they don't want to lose the meta-mission structure they have with the six special objectives. So we likely won't see another sortie until they can do two chains of short missions each with a special objective to tie into a third.
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# 16
08-01-2011, 09:12 AM
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Actually I think Cryptics method is genius. Playing in a very casual or limited way is viable for a large portion of the game so slower speed players will find it accessible.
Please take a look at this video of me doing PvE at level 51. The bar human involvement in cryptic's STO is so low that humans do NOT even need to be at their computer to play this game. Just set a rock in your A or D key and hit spacebar. Now grab a cup of coffee.

"Normal difficulty" is a joke
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# 17
08-01-2011, 11:43 AM
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Please take a look at this video of me doing PvE at level 51. The bar human involvement in cryptic's STO is so low that humans do NOT even need to be at their computer to play this game. Just set a rock in your A or D key and hit spacebar. Now grab a cup of coffee.

"Normal difficulty" is a joke
Oh how you are doing it wrong... let me count the ways...

1: You're a Lt.G in a Varanus. DOING IT WRONG. B'Rel Refit/Garumba or bust.
2: You're turning at full speed. Turning is for half speed, especially for anything that can launch other ships.
3: You don't turn the other way when you're shields failed. You dropped near half hull. My shields almost never go down that far, but I never drop below half hull.
4: All weapons on Autofire. Just plain WRONG. Disruptors, fine, but NEVER, EVER put torpedoes on autofire. EVER.

I took this video shortly before I made this topic. Coincidentally, it's the same mission. THIS is doing it RIGHT in the Maiewski System Assault. Granted, my video recorder (LIKE ALWAYS >.>) sped up the frame rate, but my cooldowns will tell you what you want to know.

And keep an eye on my chat box. I make a few commentaries in there.
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# 18
08-01-2011, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Lord-Ice
Oh how you are doing it wrong... let me count the ways...

1: You're a Lt.G in a Varanus. DOING IT WRONG. B'Rel Refit/Garumba or bust.
2: You're turning at full speed. Turning is for half speed, especially for anything that can launch other ships.
3: You don't turn the other way when you're shields failed. You dropped near half hull. My shields almost never go down that far, but I never drop below half hull.
4: All weapons on Autofire. Just plain WRONG. Disruptors, fine, but NEVER, EVER put torpedoes on autofire. EVER.

I took this video shortly before I made this topic. Coincidentally, it's the same mission. THIS is doing it RIGHT in the Maiewski System Assault. Granted, my video recorder (LIKE ALWAYS >.>) sped up the frame rate, but my cooldowns will tell you what you want to know.

And keep an eye on my chat box. I make a few commentaries in there.
and you sir cheated

balancing shields is above and beyond what this game requires (lolz)
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# 19
08-01-2011, 11:59 AM
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and you sir cheated

balancing shields is above and beyond what this game requires (lolz)
I did that AFTER they died, if you notice. I like having my shields up when I cloak, because they don't heal when you're cloaked. But in the time it took you to eliminate a Fleet Escort, I can beat half the mission.

You, good sir, are doing it WRONG.
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# 20
08-01-2011, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lord-Ice
I did that AFTER they died, if you notice. I like having my shields up when I cloak, because they don't heal when you're cloaked. But in the time it took you to eliminate a Fleet Escort, I can beat half the mission.

You, good sir, are doing it WRONG.
I think you're missing the point of my video, which is that you don't even have to use abilities, or even be near the computer, to beat the mission. Using abilities is cheating, didn't you know? You get labled elitist for that.
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