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# 11
08-01-2011, 01:43 PM
I respectfully disagree with your tactical suggestions about targeting priority. The frigates need to go first, to reduce the total amount of firepower bearing on you while you whittle down the big fish, and to eliminate the endless tractor beams so you can focus on the more powerful ships.
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# 12
08-01-2011, 01:56 PM
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I respectfully disagree with your tactical suggestions about targeting priority. The frigates need to go first, to reduce the total amount of firepower bearing on you while you whittle down the big fish, and to eliminate the endless tractor beams so you can focus on the more powerful ships.
I respect your right to disagree, but I back my suggestion. If you're careful, most times you don't have to worry about the frigates. Most times, they're not close enough. If they are, you can avoid them if you're smart. And if you're fighting the Breen and you DON'T have Polarize Hull, you're already doing it wrong. Also, 3 Plesh Breks don't have nearly as much firepower as 1 Chel Gret Cruiser. Plus, Plesh Breks are refreshingly easy after crushing the Cruisers. Like I said; dinner, then dessert.
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# 13
08-01-2011, 06:26 PM
Think of it this way.

If it takes 5 minutes to destroy a Cruiser, you'll be taking fire from four ships for 5 minutes before you destroy the frigates. If you destroy the frigates first, you'll be taking fire from four ships for 1 minute, then three for 1 minute, then two for 1 minute, and one for 5 minutes.

You'll take less damage overall by finishing off the frigates first.
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# 14
08-01-2011, 11:41 PM
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Think of it this way.

If it takes 5 minutes to destroy a Cruiser, you'll be taking fire from four ships for 5 minutes before you destroy the frigates. If you destroy the frigates first, you'll be taking fire from four ships for 1 minute, then three for 1 minute, then two for 1 minute, and one for 5 minutes.

You'll take less damage overall by finishing off the frigates first.
5 minutes for a Cruiser? What, are you using a shuttle? (o.O) 5 minutes is doing it WRONG. My personal best is 5 SECONDS (A few lucky Crits with my Disruptors brought his shields down just in time for my four Quantum Torpedoes to hit him), but I typically take 30-45. And, most times, I don't need to take the Frigates at the same time. I avoid them. If you're taking enough damage that you're THAT scared, please... read the Battle Strategies bit. You are doing something horribly wrong. Or do you just not use any BOff powers and sit there spinning and autofiring like an idiot? Do you have all of your power in Aux and engines? Are you using Mk I equipment? Did you unequip your shields? What are you doing? No one with any skill takes 5 minutes to kill a cruiser.
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# 15
08-02-2011, 08:23 AM
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5 minutes for a Cruiser? What, are you using a shuttle? (o.O) 5 minutes is doing it WRONG. My personal best is 5 SECONDS (A few lucky Crits with my Disruptors brought his shields down just in time for my four Quantum Torpedoes to hit him), but I typically take 30-45. And, most times, I don't need to take the Frigates at the same time. I avoid them. If you're taking enough damage that you're THAT scared, please... read the Battle Strategies bit. You are doing something horribly wrong. Or do you just not use any BOff powers and sit there spinning and autofiring like an idiot? Do you have all of your power in Aux and engines? Are you using Mk I equipment? Did you unequip your shields? What are you doing? No one with any skill takes 5 minutes to kill a cruiser.
No need for chest thumping. I picked a number out of the air, I have no idea how long it takes for me to defeat a cruiser. It's really beside the point. The point is that it takes longer to destroy the cruiser than the frigates, so you'll be facing their fire for the duration of that fight. If you take them out first, you will face less overall firepower.

That's all.
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# 16
08-02-2011, 09:20 AM
In any mass engagement I always try to take out the smaller ships first. Less weapons firing at me is always a good thing, and the easiest way to do this is to focus on the small ships until they are all gone. Then I can turn my undivided attention to the large ship.
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# 17
08-02-2011, 11:45 AM
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No need for chest thumping. I picked a number out of the air, I have no idea how long it takes for me to defeat a cruiser. It's really beside the point. The point is that it takes longer to destroy the cruiser than the frigates, so you'll be facing their fire for the duration of that fight. If you take them out first, you will face less overall firepower.

That's all.
...

Do you fly through where the Plesh Breks are to attack the Cruisers? It's called stealth. Go around, take out the bigger threats, then take out the easy crap. One of the main sticking points in the strategies guide is to stealth around to take out the Cruisers.

Did you even read the guide?

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In any mass engagement I always try to take out the smaller ships first. Less weapons firing at me is always a good thing, and the easiest way to do this is to focus on the small ships until they are all gone. Then I can turn my undivided attention to the large ship.
...Or, or, you can take out the BIG SHIPS by avoiding the smaller ones, then (when you're fighting the smaller ones), you don't need to worry about pulling the bigger ships, because they're already gone. This is more important with the Breen, because the Breen Cruisers strip ALL YOUR BUFFS, and increase recharge time (INCLUDING on your weapons - you'll shoot slower). Use the strategies here, and hey... you AVOID that, take the cruiser easily, then laugh at how easy the Frigates are.

Do you get it... now?
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# 18
08-02-2011, 12:07 PM
I take them all pretty darn easily as it is. The only one I've found to be a decent challenge is the big carrier.

For the Cruisers, head to head at full throttle. Science Team takes care of their little power drain. Rip their forward shields down and cram in a 'peng or quantum on high yield. Pass right over them and pop the warp plasma, which sticks 'em in place and starts dealing damage. Turn either port or starboard, hitting their side shields with broadside beams, a second torp shot is usually enough to do the rest.

For the Frigates, Polarize Hull neutralizes their only really effective weapon. They're just pests after that.

It's a rare occasion that I'm in a fight with any one grouping long enough to bring a second grouping down on me. If it turns into a furball this ol' bucket of bolts can hold her own.

Just curious... what kind of ship are you flying? I could see your tactics being most valid for someone in an escort who can't take much punishment and relies on weapons buffs to get the job done.
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# 19
08-02-2011, 01:05 PM
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I take them all pretty darn easily as it is. The only one I've found to be a decent challenge is the big carrier.

For the Cruisers, head to head at full throttle. Science Team takes care of their little power drain. Rip their forward shields down and cram in a 'peng or quantum on high yield. Pass right over them and pop the warp plasma, which sticks 'em in place and starts dealing damage. Turn either port or starboard, hitting their side shields with broadside beams, a second torp shot is usually enough to do the rest.

For the Frigates, Polarize Hull neutralizes their only really effective weapon. They're just pests after that.

It's a rare occasion that I'm in a fight with any one grouping long enough to bring a second grouping down on me. If it turns into a furball this ol' bucket of bolts can hold her own.

Just curious... what kind of ship are you flying? I could see your tactics being most valid for someone in an escort who can't take much punishment and relies on weapons buffs to get the job done.
So, you use Chel Gret strategy 1 (Hard Counter - I covered that one in the guide)? That's okay.

As for my ship, I am right now doing Warp 9.4 on my new Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey. Forward Plasma Dual Heavy, Dual Beam, Beam, and Quantum Torpedoes. Aft Plasma Turret and Quantum Torpedoes. All Mk X. Would you like my console setup, devices, and BOff powers?
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# 20
08-02-2011, 01:29 PM
No no, that's perfectly OK. It was more of a statement that different tactics work better for different ships and playstyles.

I've got a full Tetryon build on my Excelsior and have been known to park, split power between shields and weapons and slug it out with enemy cruisers if we're 1 on 1. As I rely largely on torps for damaging hull and the only ways to fire them are head on or running away.
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