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Lt. Commander
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# 31
08-11-2011, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mvs5191 View Post
Heh, exactly.

The reason I said no Pengs/FAW/Scramble is because they're generally acknowledged to be broken within the PvP community. Hardly any experienced PvPer in a decent fleet uses FAW/Scramble due to their broken nature.

If they weren't banned, any tournament would just because a Scramble 3 Fest, with every Cruiser/Sci ship using FAW 1 and Beta.


I was of the understanding that FAW had been fixed. Its basically good for spam now. Granted that if my cruisar catches you alone with no spam to throw out you have probably had a bad day. But normally a good team that sticks together doesnt have a problem with FAW. Am I wrong?
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# 32
08-11-2011, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by matteo716 View Post
Sounds fairly solid, but things I disagree with- 7 man teams, does this mean all matches will be 7 men per side? I've seen some teams have a hard enough time getting 5 people together regularly.

Will mixed teams be allowed?

Why demo record mode? Not everyone knows what this is/how it works and doesn't it get written over after each match? I think it should be optional and or allow fraps to be used in its place for people who have it. (But even then, that eats a lot of harddrive space)

How long would this be going on? What happens when a team/teams are cllearly dominant? Is there an auto bump in mind for after a set amount of time?

How will you determine what the community thinks on the powers/devices etc ban list? Will it be a majority? how will that majority be determined?

Can a single fleet enter multiple teams?

And finally, I personally don't think its ever a good idea to mix space and ground when a ladder system is in place. It may lead to one or two teams constantly changes spots because one does ground challenge, while the other does space challenge. Maybe instad alterate on a preset basis, one month space, next ground, next space etd etc.

I aggree that 7 person teams seems impracticale because it will be hard to coordinate, difficult for smaller fleets to compete, and I personally prefer to have everyone on my in game team which is limited to 5. I do think that up to 10 registered players is a good idea but I think 5 on the feild at a time is better.

I disagree on the space/ground thing. I would personally love to see competitions envolving both space and ground combat. However, with no current maps supporting this I have no idea how this would be coordinated. I think that the registration would prevent too much flip flopping. But to limit a team to only space or only ground seems unfair and against what I consider to be the spirit of play in sto. Since it is the mix of ground and space combat that sets sto apart. Not just the name Star Trek.

Thats all I have so far. I believe there is some interest in the Order of the Black Flag to support this ladder system. I will continue to monitor this thread to see if there are more updates. Is there more info out there on this?

Thanks
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# 33
08-11-2011, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by QuanManChu
Let me see a balance on ship types per team and I'll sign up for sure. Why? All Carriers=Tankfest. All Escorts=Cannonhell. All Sci ships(With all Sci Captains/Admirals) and you know it will be a SNB/Debuff-fest. So the default should be at least 1 of each ship type and at least 1 of each class of Captain/Admiral. No exceptions.
Are you saying that an unbalanced team does not have a weakness that can be exploited?
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# 34
08-14-2011, 03:03 PM
Rules should try to mirror what can be expected in PvP in the game. Don't try to "fix" the game by banning disfavored weapons, powers, or ships. Rules that don't mirror real PvP lessen any victory.

Nonethless, these matches will be unlike most PvP, because players will know in advance who they are up against. It is reasonable to require some balance of ships, to prevent matches from becoming too much of a rock/paper/scissors game. Perhaps require squads to have at least one each of cruiser/sci ship/escort ship on Fed side and BoP/raptor/cruiser on Klingon side (which is I believe the idea of QuanManChu above).

Matches should be 5 vs. 5, because that is what the game supports. Because it is frequently not easy to field the same squad of five people, week after week, the size of teams from which the match squads are selected should allowed to be at least 10.

I believe it would be best to restrict your tournament to either space or ground (not a combined tournament). Most PvP'ers that I know specialize in one or the other, and they would not be interested in a combined tournament where they are sure to lose when out of their element.

You might need referees for scheduling matches and judging forfiets, but avoid trying to determine whether there was "cheating" inside a match. Recording and reviewing the recordings of entire matches is way too much work and creates more difficulties for a large tournament. If something rises to the level of a bannable exploit, the Dev's are in a much better position to make that determination.
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# 35 Bad Idea!
08-15-2011, 12:25 AM
We do not need a ladder system. This isn't WoW. All this will do is attract nuts and immature people screaming on vent or ts because they lost or can't handle it. I quit WoW years ago because of the abuse. I DO NOT want to see it on this game therefore the game doesn't need it. PvP doesn't need this. It needs content. This is totally the wrong direction for the game and it ever does happen, the same cycle will continue and people will be quitting much more. Focus on other things that game needs help on. I hope someone shuts down this forum soon. Just you wait, mark my words.
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# 36
08-15-2011, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Capt_Luke
We do not need a ladder system. This isn't WoW. All this will do is attract nuts and immature people screaming on vent or ts because they lost or can't handle it. I quit WoW years ago because of the abuse. I DO NOT want to see it on this game therefore the game doesn't need it. PvP doesn't need this. It needs content. This is totally the wrong direction for the game and it ever does happen, the same cycle will continue and people will be quitting much more. Focus on other things that game needs help on. I hope someone shuts down this forum soon. Just you wait, mark my words.
I usually just ignore the people who act like fools, rather than let them dictate the amount of fun I have. It works! Mark my words.
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