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# 71
08-19-2011, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Necrion
Oh, you mean like the Rhode Island ?
The Light Escort (aka the NX) ?
The Light Cruiser (aka the Connie, aka the TOS Enterprise)?
The Light Science Vessel (aka the Oberth) ?
The TOS Class-F Shuttle ?
The Attack Fighter (aka the Peregrine fighter) ?
The To'Duj Fighter ?

No, no, you're right. They make sure Everything in the CStore is there for in-game currency.
Oh wait a sec... no they don't.
And that list there is just the ships in the CStore that have no other acquisition method.
I could also list all the other things, like player races, emotes, hortas, extra inventory/bank/BOff/ship slots, EVERY uniform, special purple BOffs, Bridge packs... oh yea... all that's available for an in-game currency.

Oh wait, no it isn't, lol. Silly me.
It gets better if you look at what Dstahl said was going to be the new method of acquisition. You acquire dialithium over time and can sell it to other players for their C-Store points.
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# 72
08-19-2011, 06:53 PM
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# 73
08-19-2011, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Necrion
Oh, you mean like the Rhode Island ?
The Light Escort (aka the NX) ?
The Light Cruiser (aka the Connie, aka the TOS Enterprise)?
The Light Science Vessel (aka the Oberth) ?
The TOS Class-F Shuttle ?
The Attack Fighter (aka the Peregrine fighter) ?
The To'Duj Fighter ?

No, no, you're right. They make sure Everything in the CStore is there for in-game currency.
Oh wait a sec... no they don't.
And that list there is just the ships in the CStore that have no other acquisition method.
I could also list all the other things, like player races, emotes, hortas, extra inventory/bank/BOff/ship slots, EVERY uniform, special purple BOffs, Bridge packs... oh yea... all that's available for an in-game currency.

Oh wait, no it isn't, lol. Silly me.

ok i was mistaken no reason to go all stupid on everything now....
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# 74
08-19-2011, 06:55 PM
Dorko: You should dial it back a notch, you aren't gonna change anyone's minds like that.

Edit your posts, then go take a break and calm yourself.
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# 75
08-19-2011, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dstahl View Post
We want to add a TON of new ships to the game.... we are working on 16 new ships as we speak and there are plenty more coming after that. I can appreciate that some players think the Rhode Island is over powered, but there are other players who don't agree. Luckily I can rely on the systems team and our own internal testers to also offer solid feedback on the designs (which they do rather vocally) and we then come to a decision that this ship is probably going to be just fine... just like the Galaxy Dreadnaught has also turned out to be just fine. Now maybe we should have held back the Rhode Island until all of the new ships are out there, but since this ship is lower tier, it was determined that it was ok to release now. I'm not sitting here making these decisions alone. There is an entire team that builds this game saying "good to go". If it turns out to be the horror and dismay that some are worried about, then we'll cross the bridge, but until then we go with our decision.

Your seriously still trying to make out that the RI isnt overpowered? Honestly just come clean on it..anyone with half a brain can see its clearly more powerfull than a standard T2 ship, and the internal testers..are these the same guys that thought the scorpion fighters and cloaking tractor mines were fine and a good idea? As your now hireing maybe it would be a wise idea to hire someone with a strong PvP background, somone that understands the intricasies and fine lines that need to be considered where balance is concerned? Also you say theres a ton of new ships , are these all going to be C Store and follow the same path as the RI? by that i mean extra console slots and boff powers? if so its a bad path to be following and i really think will hurt STO in the long run

I've been talking with Perfect World about Klingon Content. It is one of the things I continually beat the drum for with our executive team. STO needs two healthy factions if it is ever going to have solid PVP and territory control games.

Luckily, Perfect World agrees. PVP is a big part of their games. They get it. They want two solid PVP factions as well (as well as a third Romulan faction!). That doesn't mean that I now have an army of people at my disposal to make Klingon Content, but it means that we all agree and that it is going to happen.

this just sounds the same lame excuses as always regarding the KDF, its been pretty much agreed since launch that stuff for the KDF needs to happen, unfortunatly compared to whats been added Fed side its very little and im not filled with confidence that anything here is going to change any time soon. As they say actions speak louder than words and most of the time the KDF has had many words but little action.

Things are move forward, slowly, but they are moving forward. Currently we are all sitting down and reviewing where we want Star Trek Online to be, comparing that to our current revenue and team size, and building the plans that will get us there while remaining financially responsible.

You're preaching to the choir about the lack of content. The last six months have been extremely stressful on Cryptic Studios. When your future isn't certain and your parent company is in a heap of debt, it breeds desperate decisions and the STO team has had a lot off "directives" that it has had to deal with.

Luckily - despite all of that insanity - instead of flying us into the ground and possibly going bankrupt, Atari has sold us to a company that truly loves and cares about MMOs. Freedom to plan for the future is back. Freedom to hire is back. Clarity about what is most important is back. So yeah. Things are looking good.

I'm not trying to deflect all the responsibility away from the team. We have had our own issues as well. Personnel problems. Babies. Team transfers. Inability to replace broken PCs. Loaner PCs that barely meet the minspec for the game. Core code mergers that caused more bugs than it solved. There was even a month with no cups in the kitchen.

Thats just crap that happens no one can blame you for stuff like that , somtimes stuff just gets FUBAR and allowances can be made for the general lack of content over the past months. BTW ive plenty of spare cups but i expect the cost to mail them from the UK would be a bit expensive


So we'll own up to that. But we are where we are at and we're here today doing fine. Perfect World paid as much as they did for Cryptic Studios because we are doing well given what we are, and they see an opportunity for Star Trek to be huge. That makes me smile and hopefully makes you smile too.

This is their investment and they are going to spend money to make money. Something you can't do when you're in debt.

So take it or leave it. That's about as frank as I can get.
That last statement seems a bit rude tbh, paying customers have every right to get angry,to vent our frustraitions but you as the guy in charge not so much...
Comments in red, i'll end by saying ive been here since Beta, i believed in this game, bought a LTS, bought many of the fluff items from the C Store, but i really dont like the way the game seems to be heading...ive never supported any game that has a P2W mentality about it and with teh RI and possible all the other new ships following that course i doubt ill be sticking with STO much longer, i know as im a LTS and you have already had my money that that probably isnt a big concern for you but consider this, if things do go the way its looking right now it wont only be STO ill be leaving but Cryptic in general, that means not buying Neverwinter and any other future games, once trust is lost its hard to get it back and my trust in Cryptic is just about used up now, i would be immensly sad to walk away from STO as ive been a Star Trek fan since watching TOS as a young kid but eventually a point gets reached where you have to say enough is enough.

Well thats all i have to say, its my last word on these matters im now just going to sit back and wait and see what happens.
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# 76
08-19-2011, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dorko1 View Post
Anyways, good job. I thought that I would wait this out when you guyz get around to an in-game method, but clearly that won't happen. So, you can count my sub and any C-Store purchases out of the revenue stream and for me to tell everyone I know about how ****** of a company you are. Good job.
probaly get a point but ohh well


Do your eally have nother better to do then bad mouth cryptic. if not then bye and no i don;t want your stuff
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# 77
08-19-2011, 06:58 PM
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It gets better if you look at what Dstahl said was going to be the new method of acquisition. You acquire dialithium over time and can sell it to other players for their C-Store points. That's the "in-game" method. I feel like Will Smith sneezing and saying that he's allergic to b u l l s h i t.
You missed the hypothetical part about subscribers getting a stipend of c-points every month...

If you don't like the Rhode Island, then don't buy it. The team agreed that this ship is not going to break the game. Prove them wrong and we will obviously listen.

I'm 100% behind allowing players to earn all MTs in game. I haven't lost that battle, but the ship did go out in the c-store today. If you don't want to pay cash for it now, then don't. I can assure you that in the near future you will be able to get this ship without paying a dime.

And as others mentioned - edit your rhetoric a bit before the forum mods get to this thread.
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# 78
08-19-2011, 07:03 PM
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# 79
08-19-2011, 07:08 PM
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You missed the hypothetical part about subscribers getting a stipend of c-points every month...
So is this meant to be a stealth method of confirming that STO is going f2p real soon? Because that's the context your hypothetical was in. The state of the game's cash shop is definitely reaching the point where I feel it would be justified regardless, though.
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# 80
08-19-2011, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dstahl View Post
You missed the hypothetical part about subscribers getting a stipend of c-points every month...

If you don't like the Rhode Island, then don't buy it. The team agreed that this ship is not going to break the game. Prove them wrong and we will obviously listen.

I'm 100% behind allowing players to earn all MTs in game. I haven't lost that battle, but the ship did go out in the c-store today. If you don't want to pay cash for it now, then don't. I can assure you that in the near future you will be able to get this ship without paying a dime.

And as others mentioned - edit your rhetoric a bit before the forum mods get to this thread.
It's not that it's an OP ship at that level or not, it's that it was put into Tribble with a feedback thread, and everything just seemed to be ignored. I'm sure yall read everything and discussed it but it's a perception thing that makes yall look like yall are not listening to us (or worse, don't care) when that happens.

Now if yall want to impress the PvP community then listen and comment in this thread: http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...d.php?t=228167
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