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# 51
08-19-2011, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
my problem with the enterprise F is that its phaser arrays are to damn short, even shorter then the sov's. the (now old) galaxy class is still the heaviest hitter because of that. big design mistake, the new enterprise is just a big low offense starcruiser.
My dear friend allow me to explain how a phaser array works.

The phaser array is build of many phaser emitters which where used as sole units on the older vessels like the excelsior.

When a phaser array prepares to fire the computer tracks the target and emitters ready up when they are likely to be used, once the target is fully within aim a group of 3 to 4 emitters fire as one to create the phaser beam that will hopefully hit the target.

Also the notion that the Galaxy class is the heaviest hitter is utter and entire rubbish as the sovereign packs more punch, in fact more than twice the punch the galaxy fielded. The galaxy was never build for combat and that was a flaw all to often encountered.
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# 52
08-19-2011, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Liandras
My dear friend allow me to explain how a phaser array works.

The phaser array is build of many phaser emitters which where used as sole units on the older vessels like the excelsior.

When a phaser array prepares to fire the computer tracks the target and emitters ready up when they are likely to be used, once the target is fully within aim a group of 3 to 4 emitters fire as one to create the phaser beam that will hopefully hit the target.

Also the notion that the Galaxy class is the heaviest hitter is utter and entire rubbish as the sovereign packs more punch, in fact more than twice the punch the galaxy fielded. The galaxy was never build for combat and that was a flaw all to often encountered.
none of what you said is backed up by on screen evidence (in fact its contradicted) or soft cannon technical manuals, the way i described them working is.
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# 53
08-20-2011, 10:08 AM
and besides that technology does not exisit but hopefully one day.
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# 54
08-20-2011, 10:21 AM
My Galaxy can beat up your Sovereign, dang it! :p

According to the tech manual, the Galaxy Class ship frame is supposed to have a lifetime of 100 years, with 20 year refit intervals. I could see the Galaxy being refitted every 20 years to be up-to-date with a Sovereign and similar ships. Get rid of the living space, and install additional energy supplies and weapons for wartime.

Or maybe attach an extra nacelle and a giant-donkey phaser cannon. :p
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# 55
08-20-2011, 12:05 PM
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My Galaxy can beat up your Sovereign, dang it! :p

According to the tech manual, the Galaxy Class ship frame is supposed to have a lifetime of 100 years, with 20 year refit intervals. I could see the Galaxy being refitted every 20 years to be up-to-date with a Sovereign and similar ships. Get rid of the living space, and install additional energy supplies and weapons for wartime.

Or maybe attach an extra nacelle and a giant-donkey phaser cannon. :p
maybe true but if you update the sovereign with all that tech it will be still little more advanced.
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# 56
08-20-2011, 12:18 PM
enterprise c was a combo of gal and exl looks with more leaning towards the gal so f is taking the enterprise c idea but way uglier.
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# 57
08-20-2011, 12:45 PM
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maybe true but if you update the sovereign with all that tech it will be still little more advanced.
There is nothing to update the Sovereign with - it already has that tech.

Basically, the Galaxy has a lot of internal space that was left "unused", so it could be modified and enhanced later. The Sovereign is actually a ship with less internal mass, so it's not as upgradeable. it could very well be that Starfleet found that the entire idea of upgrading ships over the course of 100 years wasn't as a great idea as they thought at first.

1) They lost at least 3 of the initial 6 (or 12) Galaxy Ships over the first 10 years or so. (Yamato, Enterprise, Oddysee). Nothing left to upgrade there. Little point in upgrade capabilities if your ship doesn't even live to the first retrofit. The time are not peaceful, ship losses have to be expected.
2) They developed some new key technologies that are not as easily upgraded. The Defiant introduced Ablative Armor (without a Generator, which seemed to come with drawbacks, like reducing your offensive potential), pulse cannons and quantum torpedoes.

But that doesn't mean the Galaxy couldn't get some type of refit to make it equal in power to the Sovereign. It still has its extra size going for it. It's just not cost-effective to produce more Galaxy class ships with upgraded tech. If you build a new ship, just build a Sovereign. But as long as you still have some Galaxies, you can retrofit them.

In the end, that's what has been done in STO - the Galaxy has seen a retrofit to make it equal to the Sovereign.

But the Galaxy kinda was an evolutionary dead end in regards to its modularity and "empty space". Space Exploration has become too dangerous, and war to common, to make irreplaceable ship with a theoretical long life span constantly cut short with torpedoes, suicide fighters and the like.
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# 58
08-20-2011, 01:37 PM
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There is nothing to update the Sovereign with - it already has that tech.

Basically, the Galaxy has a lot of internal space that was left "unused", so it could be modified and enhanced later. The Sovereign is actually a ship with less internal mass, so it's not as upgradeable. it could very well be that Starfleet found that the entire idea of upgrading ships over the course of 100 years wasn't as a great idea as they thought at first.

1) They lost at least 3 of the initial 6 (or 12) Galaxy Ships over the first 10 years or so. (Yamato, Enterprise, Oddysee). Nothing left to upgrade there. Little point in upgrade capabilities if your ship doesn't even live to the first retrofit. The time are not peaceful, ship losses have to be expected.
2) They developed some new key technologies that are not as easily upgraded. The Defiant introduced Ablative Armor (without a Generator, which seemed to come with drawbacks, like reducing your offensive potential), pulse cannons and quantum torpedoes.

But that doesn't mean the Galaxy couldn't get some type of refit to make it equal in power to the Sovereign. It still has its extra size going for it. It's just not cost-effective to produce more Galaxy class ships with upgraded tech. If you build a new ship, just build a Sovereign. But as long as you still have some Galaxies, you can retrofit them.

In the end, that's what has been done in STO - the Galaxy has seen a retrofit to make it equal to the Sovereign.

But the Galaxy kinda was an evolutionary dead end in regards to its modularity and "empty space". Space Exploration has become too dangerous, and war to common, to make irreplaceable ship with a theoretical long life span constantly cut short with torpedoes, suicide fighters and the like.
true, the galaxy class is a exploration ship not a warship!
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# 59
08-20-2011, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by RAJ_2011
true, the galaxy class is a exploration ship not a warship!
its an exploration ship that also serves the purpose of being starfleets largest battleship. the sovereign is not in the same size class, its a heavy cruiser. a large and advanced heavy cruiser, but its not steeping on any battleship toes at all. the sovereign being a higher tier then the galaxy is due to the majority of fans assuming newer is better, hell there's people that think an intrepid is more powerful then a galaxy.

the sovereign is not 20 years more advanced then a galaxy, its 7-10 years newer at most. plus the 20 year refit is more of a maintenance overhaul, and then maybe a major upgrade. there were a ton of tng episodes referring to constant upgrades that the enterprise received, those don't happen just every 20 years.
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# 60
08-20-2011, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Liandras
Also the notion that the Galaxy class is the heaviest hitter is utter and entire rubbish as the sovereign packs more punch, in fact more than twice the punch the galaxy fielded. The galaxy was never build for combat and that was a flaw all to often encountered.
There is no evidence in any Trek show or movie that the Sovereign has twice the punch of the Galaxy. So what you're saying is nonsense that you probably read in a book somewhere that isn't canon.

In the Trek universe (STO notwithstanding) there's no reason why the Galaxy couldn't have equal firepower as the Sovereign. Refit it with upgraded phaser arrays, quantum torpedoes, tougher shields, etc. This was done for the Dominion war, for example. The Galaxy should only really be outmatched by the Sovereign in maneuverability and maximum warp speed.

The Galaxy shouldn't even be too expensive to build. Compared to some ships fielded by other factions, the Galaxy is tiny. The D'Deridex and the Domiinion Dreadnought are huge warships and must be a lot more expensive, yet they are quite common in the Romulan and Dominion fleets. Plus the Federation built thousands of ships of various sizes for the Dominion war. There's no reason to think that it would have trouble building more Galaxy class ships. Remember, construction cost isn't an issue because there is no money being spent. Only resources to allocate.
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