Originally Posted by Beagles

Average joe doesnt care about anyone, thats why average joe is in a cruiser with EptS III

Originally Posted by Beagles

I dont care about pugs, just like I dont care about 1v1.

Originally Posted by Beagles

Deleted misc insults to other paying subscribers you are trying to alienate from the game.

Originally Posted by Jaruslothran

Or anybody else or facts or truth.. or anything but your limited point of view.



There are a few of us out here who actually care about this game more than your perceived 1337ness. We want to see the PvP community grow and thrive. We want to see the broken fixed and the counters work.

Now, I know some people love their crutches... this much is obvious because of the barrage of SS, SNB and spam we see in PvP nearly every time we enter the game (which is not nearly as often any more).

Furthermore.. arenas are a measure of team skill. What a joke as well. If they ever get off their butt and make good PvP with REAL objectives that force players to split up and take multiple objectives at the same time.. that will be good PvP.

Arenas are a bunch of ships set up to support one another like houses of cards.. get most of those guys away from the group..with little to no support..and just like a house of cards.. splat.

As far as objectives go, Cap and Hold is as close as we have .. and that is a joke. Right now, nobody even cares about the objectives in Cap and Hold, because there is no real reason to.

Good PvP is not a bunch of people circling each other for 40 minutes trying to get 15 kills. It bores me in FPS's and it bores me here. Objectives with tangible reasons to exist and real reasons to fight to get them.. that is fun.

Arenas are like a game of football.. with no ball..and no goal posts.. instead.. 2 teams out there tackling each other for the heck of it. Last tackler wins.

Good PvP is about flying and dynamic situations that cannot be found without these REAL objectives and ships geared out to survive on their own and with a group.

Bring on the meaningful objectives and unbroken abilities.. before I have to hear about how awesome teams are. I highly doubt most of these teams would even show up to a battle where they had to split forces.... they just could not handle it well.

Until then I love reading the "king" flies beating their chest on their horse apple.

Here's hoping that Perfect World drops the hammer on this garbage. Then when fixed we will see these "king" flies buzz off to the next horse apple they find.

Originally Posted by Captain Data

I am in agreement with you. CnH has denigrated to a big arena where I have seen people from fleets actually collude with each other to make CnH a never ending Pewpew fest. I have fallen victim to a fleet actually sitting cloaked in the middle of the map if my "team" is making too much of effort to cap so that we get killed by the roving "fedball" that has us out numbered 2 v 1 because Fleet A is ****ed we are cutting into their pewpew

Originally Posted by MelineAaele

I dont really care about the objectives in C&H.. The only reason I play this game is for the PvP, running around capping points is *not* PvP in my mind.

Originally Posted by Captain Data

Arenas are this come with such and such setup or you are going to lose pug or premade.

Originally Posted by Captain Data

That is where you and I disagree. An objective is where strategy really comes out IMHO. There have been some CnH where I have 20 kills and 20 deaths because all I do is zerg in and tie up forces take a few out before I die. Do not get me wrong the battles are awesome but I always feel if you want a big arena you can make custom ones that fit 10 v 10. This is the main reason I was mad when they removed the space assault map it relied on strategy and not roving 10 ship "fedballs" you had 2-3 small groups fighting it out where everyone was more or less on more equal footing. Objective based maps take the monotony of mindless pewpew that arenas have become. Arenas are this come with such and such setup or you are going to lose pug or premade.

Originally Posted by Jaruslothran

Proudly turning left since Beta.