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# 311
10-06-2011, 05:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by V-Mink
I'll be honest: None of this is surprising me. Not the C-Store price increases (though apparently the +1 ship prices got cut in half? Really?) and not the incentivizing of real money transactions.

Never forget, by he way, that in going F2P that the producer MUST find some way to make money, else this is a useless venture. STO *must* make a profit somehow. Now, how it makes that profit is clearly a point of contention, but 'free to play' does have to mean 'free to play but we have to get paid somehow.' They've cut themselves off by saying all content will be free (what there is of the content, anyway) so they have to look to some other source of revenue. When providing suggestions, please keep this in mind. (Side note: I have some ideas; none of them are what we're seeing on Tribble; big surprise! But I'm probably not the one to ask since I have loathed the C-Store for some time now.)

However, I don't think the solution is for STO to die horribly. It is entirely possible that if CBS pulls the license (if they even can; I'm sure there are clauses regarding when they can do that) then we will not see a Trek MMO for at least another ten years. And there is no garauntee that a "Star Trek Online Again" will not stink like rotten apples.

Keep in mind too that it takes a LOT to kill an MMO. NCSoft killed Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa (*******S!) over politics, but Ultima Online has been going on for 14 years, FFXI is still going pretty strong, and even EverQuest is still progress-questing. You'd kind of need an isolytic charge to the server farm to kill STO at this point, I think.

One can also not count on PWI pulling a Paragon, and putting STO into the hands of an in-house development group. This did a lot of good for CoH but I don't think it would do anything in this case: Consider that most of these in-game economic changes appear to be driven strongly by PWI dictates. Changing developers will not change the economic model of STO, only the names of the people we yell at.

So Cryptic dying a horrible death might satisfy schadenfreude but in the long run I don't think that it will automagically result in some nebulous "someone better" getting the license to do a Trek MMO. At this time I would encourage people to make their voices heard by Cryptic, exhaust all patience and avenues of appeal, remind Cryptic and PWI that 'free to play' does not have to mean 'gouge the players for everything in their wallets' (CoH's free-to-play seems to be going amazingly well for them, and I was very happy with DDO,) and then and only then give up.

And if you have already reached that point, I can't say that I blame you. =P
You are probably right that there will not another Star Trek MMO for a long Time if this one dies. And of course a Company has to make Money. But to not value the Costumers, taking things away from them like the free Ship for each Rank or the freedom to do as many Cluster Missions as you like, even if they told they would not take away anything and on top of that raising the Prices for C-Store Items and making the Game a Grind Fest so you have to buy C-Points for Ships if you don't want to die of old age before you get your Ship with full Equip even if you are a Gold Member, is just not the right way. If they did not had an MMO, but instead a Store and they would treat the Costumers this way they could close the Doors forever after six Month at latest.

I really had the hope that this would be the great Star Trek MMO i was waiting for. Because of that hope i bought the Lifetime Sub even before the Game was released. But all they deliverd til now are empty promises and now a F2P System that, if it goes live anything near to whats on Tribble now, looks like the Company is called "Money Graptic".
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# 312
10-06-2011, 05:50 PM
I did not recieve dilithium in any form, or a ship discount at Rear Admiral Upper Half 1... is this no longer counter as a rank?
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# 313
10-06-2011, 05:54 PM
http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2638

this just droped, hope it explains dilithium to our satisfaction, reading now...
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# 314
10-06-2011, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Aevn
It's hilarious that on STOked they talk about letting people play how they want, but instead they're forcing everyone to grind dailies and Doff Assignments for dilithium to buy a ship. I suppose being able to play how you want only applies to people who make it to 51 in their connies or novas
You can play the game any way you want so long as you grind or pay
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# 315
10-06-2011, 05:55 PM
A DOF idea for the KDF: Have a dilithium mining "mission" at Rura Penthe.
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# 316
10-06-2011, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SatansHell View Post
You can play the game any way you want so long as you grind or pay
Like every other F2P game, look at all the F2P games I have played so far and looking into what STO turns, it will be a "F2P scheme 101".

What I am Interessted in, is in what merrits get converted... I have over 300k in merits... considering they are harder to earn then credits and where the main means to level your boffs they need to give us dilithium for it...

But i bet even when they do it we get a crap exchange rate, like 1:10 or something like that... een with 300k merits you only would get 30k del and thats not enough for even one mkx purple...
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# 317
10-06-2011, 06:09 PM
From what I'm seeing here I'll be getting my test-Fed to 51 for the bonuses then going back to Holo to grab as much purple gear as possible before this mess goes live.
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# 318
10-06-2011, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2638

this just droped, hope it explains dilithium to our satisfaction, reading now...
Not a word on the refine rate...

And, what almost sounds like a threat at this point, changes to the crafting systems are coming....
Seriously, I am literally afraid of what's coming to Memory Alpha within the next days.
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Per the Free-to-Play FAQ:
Quote:
Originally Posted by F2P FAQ
Q: Will there be any changes to the C-Store now that STO is going free-to-play?
Yes. We'll be reviewing the content and prices of goods on offer in the C-store. This includes prices for ships at all tiers. There are currently no plans to increase the price of any premium ship. For now, we know that some previously purchasable playable species will soon be free (Ferengi, Rigelian, Pakled, Tellarite), and others (Liberated Borg, Joined Trill, Federation Klingons) will be earned through other means. If you have already unlocked access to any C-store items, including playable species, you will retain that access in the free-to-play transition.
So.... Have plans changed then ?

Currently on Tribble:

Excelsior Cruiser Retrofit T3
  • 800 CStore Points
  • Used to be EC only

Excelsior Cruiser Retrofit T5
  • 1600 CStore Points
  • Used to be 1200 CStore Points

Multi-Vector Advanced Escort
  • 2000 CStore Points
  • Used to be 1200 CStore points

Vulcan D'Kyr
  • 1600 CStore Points
  • Used to be 1200 CStore Points

B'rel Bird-of-Prey Retrofit
  • 1600 CStore Points
  • Used to be 1200 CStore Points

Kar'Fi Battle Carrier
  • 1600 CStore Points
  • Used to be 1200 CStore Points

Marauder Patrol Cruiser
  • 1600 CStore Points
  • Used to be 1200 CStore Points

Varanus Fleet Support Vessel
  • 1600 CStore Points
  • Used to be 1200 CStore Points


While some ships have also come down (thanks for that):
TOS USS Enterprise - Down 560 points
Rhode Island - Down 400 points

Still, this being said, FAR more ships have gone up in price than down.

And we don't even have access to all the CStore ships yet !

Cryptic, what the heck is going on ? I understand that this is the first iteration of the F2P CStore, but to so blatantly go against what you own FAQ says is simply mind boggling !

Especially when *EVERYTHING* else, with the exception of the Services (so far) has ALSO gone up !

Can we get an explanation please ?

Oh, and for Reference -
Live ShipsTribble CStore Ships
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# 320
10-06-2011, 06:18 PM
Ok, first, most of the things rolled out in this update were broken, or broke previously working things. But this is Beta, so I can live with it.

Second, read the new Dev post http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2638 It at least shows that they know this system is broken, and they know we're Miffed about it. Stop the dev bashing until you play the beta and research the problems.

Third, and I hate to say it again, THIS IS A BETA! Yes, it sucks that you put in time and can't afford your new ship. Yes it sucks that prices are currently way too high. Yes it sucks that some things increased in price in the C-Store, but if you read the original post, http://www.startrekonline.com/f2p_faq#16 it state that "We'll be reviewing the content and prices of goods on offer in the C-store. This includes prices for ships at all tiers. There are currently no plans to increase the price of any premium ship." Key words here are, "Reviewing the content and prices" and "Currently no plans to increase prices" None of this promises anything and leaves them quite a bit of room for thing to change.

So please, everyone take a deep breath, remember we are testing this in hopes of making a better Star Trek for tomorrow, and enjoy playing with any of the new goodies they throw out there for us.
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