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# 21
10-17-2011, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Korhil
If you consider an extra +1 power in all subsystems a "unique property in combat" I think you are confused. The new Elite Force shield does it, the breen energy dampener, borg tractor beam and power syphon all do the same thing just a lot better.
Is unique, yes, beacose I cant use it with my Sovereign.

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Originally Posted by Korhil
I just have to ask what is it that makes the Excelsior OP? Cant be the turn rate as there are klingon cruisers / battlecruisers with better turn rate, and it cant be the BO layout because there are klingon ships with better BO layouts.

The fact that has more turn rate, same amount of console slots and devices, and the same hull that the rest of the Starfleet Cruisers. That make the Excelsior the best assault cruiser in the Federation, and you want to buff it even more???
And lets not talk about the BOFFs slots..

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Originally Posted by Korhil
So we have no combat based special ability like every other ship in the game is getting....
What? What did the Sovereign or the Star Cruiser get? You have the extra turn rate! If you donít like it, donít use it!
If you want to change the turn rate for a unique power, go ahead, ask Cryptic for that. But is one thing or the other.

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Originally Posted by Korhil
Yey. This makes everything ok right? Because the Intrepid doesnt have more turn than the other science ships and the defiant doesnt have more turn than the other escorts. Oh wait....
You not even knew about STO ships. The Luna has more turn rate than the Intrepid, and the other Scie ships have less turn rate, but MORE HULL!
Excelsior has more Turn rate and the same hull than the other cruisers!


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Originally Posted by Korhil
Oh and the Excelsior does have slightly less hull than the other cruisers.
No, it does not! It has 39000 base hull, same as the other Starfleet Cruisers!
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# 22
10-17-2011, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Korhil
If you only care about the transwarp abilities just carry the consoles in your inventory and slot them when you want to use one.
Did you tryed this already ?? (some consules have a timer, 2 minutes to wait before you can use it).
Now after a mission I don't need to wait.
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# 23
10-17-2011, 07:56 AM
The Excelsior is a product that has been out for quite some time now. People bought it based off of the stats currently on Holodeck. To change it now after the fact is just plain wrong. :/

What's my motivation to spend C-Store points or Dilithium on a product that might be nerfed or changed after I've bought it? That's like buying a car and having someone come into your garage and make an alteration to it that you didn't agree to.
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# 24
10-17-2011, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sprint01
The Excelsior is a product that has been out for quite some time now. People bought it based off of the stats currently on Holodeck. To change it now after the fact is just plain wrong. :/

What's my motivation to spend C-Store points or Dilithium on a product that might be nerfed or changed after I've bought it? That's like buying a car and having someone come into your garage and make an alteration to it that you didn't agree to.
You are right. The simple fact is that since the changes to the Excelsior it is worse than it was. This is due to the fact that the console is not worth its slot so it has effectively lost its special transwarp abilities.

I think I will probably still use it but the Galaxy X is now pretty tempting. Because I dont bother with firing arcs the lower turn rate doesnt matter and the BO slots are almost as good.
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# 25
10-17-2011, 08:14 AM
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# 26
10-17-2011, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Korhil
You are right. The simple fact is that since the changes to the Excelsior it is worse than it was.
If you think that, dont use the console. The Excelsior is still the best cruiser in the fleet. Like I told you, maybe they should take out the extra turn rate and make a console, so in that way will be balance. You have the extra turn rate, but you loss a console slot.

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Originally Posted by Korhil
You cant use the borg tractor beam, breen energy dampener, power syphon or the Elite Force Resilient Shield on your Sovereign? Check again.
What?? Why you talk about another power?? The Excelsior console is UNIQUE, it can only be us by the EXCELSIOR! I donít care if there is similar power, you can have both, but I cant use the Excelsior power.

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Originally Posted by Korhil
If you could read you would have seen that I said "getting" as in its a work in progress. I suspect that eventually the T5 cruisers will get special ability consoles like the Advanced Escort.
You suspect? Well, let me tell you that the game balance should not be decided by your "suspicions".

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I stand corrected. Not that it makes much difference when you get hit for 25k from a torpedo spread. Or those cunning 54k borg torpedoes.
What? Are you telling me that the extra hull or extra turn rate is the same for you??? End discussion for me. I cant argue with that assessment.
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# 27
10-17-2011, 11:22 AM
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# 28
10-17-2011, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Korhil
I run 8 turrets.
Well, with that you said all
Looks like you not even know that the turn rate improve, not only your movement, but also your defence.
Like I said, I am not going to argue with a guy that demands a Excelsior buff!

Have a good day.
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# 29
10-17-2011, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cerritouru View Post
Well, with that you said all
Looks like you not even know that the turn rate improve, not only your movement, but also your defence.
Like I said, I am not going to argue with a guy that demands a Excelsior buff!

Have a good day.
Please stop trolling my thread.

Edited to remove confrontational content.
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# 30
10-17-2011, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Korhil
I'm not interested in arguing with you. However I need to say that a ships Turn Rate has no impact on its Defence. I don't want people reading this and getting bad information.

For the record I was not demanding an Excelsior buff, I was really after a de-nerf.
It's not really a nerf. You'll only gain a small power buff but you've also just gained a small buff to any skill that uses those Performance skills. Skills like DEM, EWP, EPtS, ES, Aux to SIF and even Captain skill like Nadion Inversion and RSF. The buff may be small but it's a buff to almost every engineering skill used on a Cruiser, and for the cost of a Sci slot (because lets face it, they're all but expendable on a cruiser) I'd say that was worth it.
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