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# 11
10-16-2011, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by psychogobstopper
Just like Martok was driven by a hunger for glory and a desire to be perceived as greater than Martok during the Dominion War.

Since the Klingon Empire was the vanguard against Undine infiltration in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, I would assume the Empire regularly verifies the identities of high-level, high-influence individuals.
Remember the Detapa Council's takeover of Cardassia way back when. The Empire didn't want or need proof that the changelings were involved with the power changing hands, it was only a broad excuse to wage war and take Cardassia over. The Klingons may be actively pursuing the Undine, but by and large it simply gives the Empire an excuse to conquer it's neighbors.

The Klingon-Cardassian war resulted in the Dominion gaining a foothold when the Cardassians willingly welcomed their aid in avenging themselves on the Klingons and retaking everything the Empire had captured. Shortly beforehand it had turned out that it had been the Klingons who had been infiltrated all along. And then Gowron turned out to be crazy, and more willing to die in a blaze of glory than to actually try to preserve his Empire.

The Klingon Empire refused to learn from history, and so doomed the Alpha Quadrant to repeat it.
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# 12
10-16-2011, 11:54 AM
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You speak treason! Begone you dishonorable p'taQ!
Well this is the Fed section so......:p

But in all seriousness, speaking as a dedicated Klingon player I agree that I think that Jm'pok is an Undine as well as his actions have been generally destructive and wasteful of the Empire's resources.

Just the sort of thing that a spy would do in order to weaken an enemy before the real attack.....
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# 13
10-16-2011, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Sivar View Post
Well this is the Fed section so......:p

But in all seriousness, speaking as a dedicated Klingon player I agree that I think that Jm'pok is an Undine as well as his actions have been generally destructive and wasteful of the Empire's resources.

Just the sort of thing that a spy would do in order to weaken an enemy before the real attack.....
Could just be family genetics catching up to him. They should see how good he is by giving him command of a Bird of Short Bus.....
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# 14
10-16-2011, 05:17 PM
The Undine are everywhere now and also the Fek'lhri, but the real enemies who are pulling the strings are the Hur'qs.... Even the Feds are contaminated by these low species.
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# 15
10-17-2011, 10:02 AM
I find myself wondering if the Hur'q could just be another name for the Iconians. They were said to have established outposts as far away as the Gamma Quadrant 200,000 years ago. And we know what was left of the Iconians ran for their lives when Iconia was destroyed. The Hur'q invasion was about 8000-9000 years prior to the game, nad came from a race in the Gamma Quadrant.

If I was fleeing an invasion and could gateway to anywhere I'd go as far away frm my agressors in the Beta Quadrant as possible, a distant outpost in the Gamma Quadrant. And then, somewhat bitter at what happened, come back in a few thousand years, only to find that their enemies had advnaced more than expected and repulsed them.

Now they're back again with a more subtle invasion plan.
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# 16
10-17-2011, 10:40 AM
J'mpok an Undine... yeah that thought occured to me several times.
Of course that would be a cheap copy of the Dominion-war settup... but since the WHOLE WAR ARC is EXACTLY THAT the chancellor being a changeling is IMO very likley.


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Originally Posted by AlchemistiD View Post
Remember the Detapa Council's takeover of Cardassia way back when. The Empire didn't want or need proof that the changelings were involved with the power changing hands, it was only a broad excuse to wage war and take Cardassia over. The Klingons may be actively pursuing the Undine, but by and large it simply gives the Empire an excuse to conquer it's neighbors.

The Klingon-Cardassian war resulted in the Dominion gaining a foothold when the Cardassians willingly welcomed their aid in avenging themselves on the Klingons and retaking everything the Empire had captured. Shortly beforehand it had turned out that it had been the Klingons who had been infiltrated all along. And then Gowron turned out to be crazy, and more willing to die in a blaze of glory than to actually try to preserve his Empire.

The Klingon Empire refused to learn from history, and so doomed the Alpha Quadrant to repeat it.
The Federation refuses to learn here.
If the Federation wouldnt have backstabed their allies by inofficially informing the Cardassians of the Klingnon war effords there wouldnt have been a Cardassia that could have allied with the Dominion, and with that no Dominion war, and MILLIONS of needless deaths wouldnt have happened.

If the Dominion war prooves one thing then that the Klingons were right invading Cardassia.
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# 17
10-17-2011, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstAngelus View Post
J'mpok an Undine... yeah that thought occured to me several times.
Of course that would be a cheap copy of the Dominion-war settup... but since the WHOLE WAR ARC is EXACTLY THAT the chancellor being a changeling is IMO very likley.




The Federation refuses to learn here.
If the Federation wouldnt have backstabed their allies by inofficially informing the Cardassians of the Klingnon war effords there wouldnt have been a Cardassia that could have allied with the Dominion, and with that no Dominion war, and MILLIONS of needless deaths wouldnt have happened.

If the Dominion war prooves one thing then that the Klingons were right invading Cardassia.
And the Klingons should have known to not tip off an ally that believes in diplomacy first, diplomacy second, then a sharp stick in the enemies eyes.
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# 18
10-17-2011, 09:47 PM
I prefer to think he's merely passionate. His drive to do his best to lead his fellow warriors against the shapeshifters has caused him to take actions with... less than ample forethought. He's not a bad guy, just quicker to act than think in many cases.

It's interesting. When you look at it that way, you realize that the KDF, despite being the "red team", is no more the villain here than the Federation in this war. Both are victims, the war merely a side effect. Which in my mind makes this game's playable factions far more interesting than the average red vs. blue dynamic in other MMO's where one side is EEEEVIL and the other is Holier Than Thou good.
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