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# 1 1 narcelled classes
10-24-2011, 10:19 AM
Would it be nice to have the challenger class in the game. or another variant.

http://bridgecommander.filefront.com...s/File/55710/4


or this one.

http://bridgecommander.filefront.com...ts/File/55711/

or this one.

http://screenshots.filesnetwork.com/...s2/55714_3.jpg

and if they are comming in the game it would be nice to refit them to the 25 century
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# 2
10-24-2011, 10:24 AM
Just curious:

why make a thread called 1 nacelled ships and only have one ship with one nacelle in it and two with more?

Anyway the ships are actually canon, they appeared in the "Graveyard scene" in TNG "Best of Both Worlds".
You can read more about the here (ordered by number of nacelles):

http://ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/freedom.htm

http://ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/challenger.htm

http://ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/niagara.htm
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# 3
10-24-2011, 10:51 AM
I hope they never put those in this game... I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but they look ugly.
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# 4
10-24-2011, 11:52 AM
If I recall correctly there is a rule for Feddy starship design that says that there has to be an even number of Nacells. And to the best of my knowledge there has only been one exception, and that being the Enterprise from the end of TNG. Though there excuse was that canon wise that ship never really existed. There are some others, like the bridge having to be on top of the ship as opposed to buried deep inside of it like any sane person would do.
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# 5
10-24-2011, 12:12 PM
http://www.trekplace.com/article15.html

This has some of the original Roddenberry design info.
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# 6
10-24-2011, 12:13 PM
Well, the Freedom class is just as canon as the Cheyenne (which is already in this game) and the ship was included into the show at a time when Roddenberry was still alive so he obviously didn't veto the thing.
An interesting "excuse" I once read was that in TNG era ships the warpcoils in the nacelles were in pairs, therfore circumventing the odd numbers rule.

Oh and there were additional rules to Federation starship design:

*EDIT: Adarandrel beat me while I was typing*

The collectors of the warp engines have to be visible from the front and the nacelles need to have line of sight to ech other over at least 50% of their surface.
I think that's the "true" reason for the fold-thingy on the Intrepid, they wanted to oblige this rule.
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# 7
10-24-2011, 01:08 PM
Per Roddenberry federation warp coils operate in pairs... so you typically have ships with even numbers of nacelles.

The Dreadnought bends this rule by having two warp coils in each nacelle... so using that line of thinking single nacelle ships are possible. However they still look terrible.

As far as warp engines having to "see" eachother across the hull, that rule was tossed when Defiant came out.

I also get tired of people calling ships from the Worf 359 graveyard "canon."

Those ships are just filler, they are made up of mismatched parts from model kits and were never meant to be examined closely.

Say NO to kitbashes folks. This includes Cheyenne and Centaur.
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# 8
10-24-2011, 01:22 PM
If they were not canon, Cryptic would not have gotten the green light from CBS to use them.
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# 9
10-24-2011, 01:45 PM
Personally I think the Challenger, Freedom, and (to a lesser extent) the Niagara classes are some of the ugliest ships Star Trek has come up with.

That said, there are only so many ship classes to pull from the shows and movies, and these ship do have their fans. So I'm going to surprise even myself and admit that I support this idea. And hey, even though Star Trek only has one undisputed miracle worker, maybe Capt. Logan can create an alternate skin for these ships that would make them look good.
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# 10
10-24-2011, 01:53 PM
Well, I hate the Niagara but I actually like the New Orleans

http://ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/neworleans.htm

and the Springfield (minus the secondary hull pod)

http://ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/springfield.htm

Would have made a far more attactive DSSV IMO.
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