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# 21
11-11-2011, 04:43 AM
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Yes Roach! I still want to be able to put that Ferengi Worm in the infirmary at best (on Drozana). It still amazes me that you can't outright punch him for his impudence. That guy crosses the line with an IMPERIAL klingon in a way that likely would get him stabbed. The interaction with McCoy is also a little oddball as well.
I agree. I too would like to see a " threaten and intimidation " approach added to the choices at Drozana when dealing with him. Later they could add a "Guile and Threaten " option for the Romulans.

Actually we Klingons like McCoy very much. He drinks alot, enjoys life and is opinionated, not to mention his Singular Wit.
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# 22
11-11-2011, 10:16 AM
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First time I've ever seen someone who totally agrees with me on this. In the shows, I find that Humanity is essentially the most enlightened species with all the right package of awesome qualities. Sure, they're not as smart as the Vulcans, nor as strong, as a whole... but their heart, creative spirit, and intuition blow the Vulcans out of the water. The same comparison with any other race is usually thrown in your face throughout the series, and it always seems the mantra is 'we're human, we're awesome aren't we?'.
You seem to forget (or are just not aware) that Gene Rodenberry wanted the Next Generation era to represent an Idealized future where humanity has overcome it self-destructive and baser(animalistic) tendencies. Was his idea naive? Maybe, but at least he was being optimistic in looking towards the future while his conteporary authors and producers were more pessimistic when they were putting together their bleak and jaded dystopia future science fiction.
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# 23
11-11-2011, 10:28 AM
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The terms good and bad are subjective depending on the point of view. The Nazis thought they were the good guys in a world full lesser (bad) races. Until the civil war many thought slavery was good (there would be few if any African Americans here, in addition looks at the crap that's going down in Africa right now). I am not going to say anything about Christianity because the thread will get locked or deleted. The Sith were seen as evil by the Jedi and expelled to a swamp world to rot. The Borg could see themselves as good because they are destroying individualism, I can kind of see their point, an end to greed, poverty, class establishment and inept bosses would be nice.
a TANGENT: This line (red) is not intirely correct. Before the invention of teh Cotton Gin Slavery was on the verge of being dropped as a production resource in the South as it was still not cost effective or efficent to have slave labor to process raw cotton from the field to the consumer.
If the Cotton Gin had never been created many historians believe slavery in the USA would have disapeered.

/ end tangent.
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# 24
11-13-2011, 03:46 AM
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a TANGENT: This line (red) is not intirely correct. Before the invention of teh Cotton Gin Slavery was on the verge of being dropped as a production resource in the South as it was still not cost effective or efficent to have slave labor to process raw cotton from the field to the consumer.
If the Cotton Gin had never been created many historians believe slavery in the USA would have disapeered.

/ end tangent.
I don't think he meant good in a economic sense, but good in a cultural and social sense.

"But let me not be understood as admitting, even by implication, that the existing relations between the two races in the slaveholding States is an evil:—far otherwise; I hold it to be a good, as it has thus far proved itself to be to both, and will continue to prove so if not disturbed by the fell spirit of abolition. I appeal to facts. Never before has the black race of Central Africa, from the dawn of history to the present day, attained a condition so civilized and so improved, not only physically, but morally and intellectually."

-John C. Calhoun
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# 25
11-13-2011, 04:59 PM
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I don't think he meant good in a economic sense, but good in a cultural and social sense.

"But let me not be understood as admitting, even by implication, that the existing relations between the two races in the slaveholding States is an evil:—far otherwise; I hold it to be a good, as it has thus far proved itself to be to both, and will continue to prove so if not disturbed by the fell spirit of abolition. I appeal to facts. Never before has the black race of Central Africa, from the dawn of history to the present day, attained a condition so civilized and so improved, not only physically, but morally and intellectually."

-John C. Calhoun
Oh , do not get me wrong this little piece of wierd history (the invention of the cotten gin) I only offer as a piece of trivia and nothing more.
I personally do not find any favor with slavery as it is a self-defeating concept and in truth no man should ever own another ( though most of us be Wage-slave in society).
How different history may have been if ol'Eli had been slow in his invention process.

As to Calhoun's quote, I have read other literature on a similiar line of thought. One book in fact written by G.W. Carver.
Still best be an alert owner who wish put a collar on me. I fully beleave tis better to die on one's feet than live in forced servitude to another.
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# 26
11-13-2011, 08:07 PM
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I agree. I too would like to see a " threaten and intimidation " approach added to the choices at Drozana when dealing with him. Later they could add a "Guile and Threaten " option for the Romulans.

Actually we Klingons like McCoy very much. He drinks alot, enjoys life and is opinionated, not to mention his Singular Wit.
I like this idea! the option to have a brawl in a bar would be great for Klingons, I was just at Windycon where the Klingon Christmas Carol folks and my ship redid a partyroom into a Klingon bar of sorts, I even had a custom Klingon cup made as a prop for this!, The one thing I mention after was that one thing was missing, Some romulan, vulcan or a human ear hanging on the wall by the bar! (prosthetic of course) or even a plastic skull! I read in a star trek novel how in this one bar people that lost fights in this one bar got to leave behind decorations!!

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# 27
11-13-2011, 11:27 PM
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Oh , do not get me wrong this little piece of wierd history (the invention of the cotten gin) I only offer as a piece of trivia and nothing more.
I personally do not find any favor with slavery as it is a self-defeating concept and in truth no man should ever own another ( though most of us be Wage-slave in society).
How different history may have been if ol'Eli had been slow in his invention process.

As to Calhoun's quote, I have read other literature on a similiar line of thought. One book in fact written by G.W. Carver.
Still best be an alert owner who wish put a collar on me. I fully beleave tis better to die on one's feet than live in forced servitude to another.
I don't think I was ever in danger of getting you wrong on this subject.

It just felt you'd misunderstood mondo80's "Until the civil war many thought slavery was good" because you only applied it to "economically viable" so to speak.
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# 28
11-14-2011, 04:42 AM
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I don't think I was ever in danger of getting you wrong on this subject.

It just felt you'd misunderstood mondo80's "Until the civil war many thought slavery was good" because you only applied it to "economically viable" so to speak.
No, just had that wierd peace of history flash in my brain pan and shared it. I did find it a good example of how things can change or be changed from simple events.
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# 29
11-14-2011, 06:48 AM
I like being a slave to my Orion slavegirl......
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# 30
11-14-2011, 07:13 AM
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I like being a slave to my Orion slavegirl......
Sure. Its all fun and games until they change the saftey word to fluggaenkdechioebolsen. After that things go downhill.
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