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I know I should have read that description better, but I"M REALLY dissapointed that you can't use the Ch'tang skin on my T5 BoP! Its frame and structure looks soo similar to the T5 alt Variant BoP I had always assumed it was made for it as well!

Are they're plans to make this available at a later date, I like the design and matches well with the other designs, shame to waste it on some T4 ship that someone will be on for like 2 days.

For the record, don't care much for the 4winged attack bop, but the Ch'tang looks great...sad panda....

EDIT: I want the devs to allow me to use the CH'tang skin on my HAJ t5 bop, as they're so similar, and looks way worse than this t4 beauty, Going from captain to BG should be depressing, like upgrading from a Porche to a '95 buick...
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# 2
12-02-2011, 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Rafeism
I know I should have read that description better, but I"M REALLY dissapointed that you can't use the Ch'tang skin on my T5 BoP! Its frame and structure looks soo similar to the T5 alt Variant BoP I had always assumed it was made for it as well!

Are they're plans to make this available at a later date, I like the design and matches well with the other designs, shame to waste it on some T4 ship that someone will be on for like 2 days.

For the record, don't care much for the 4winged attack bop, but the Ch'tang looks great...sad panda....
It's a T4 BoP skin. Of course it's not usable on the T5 BoP which is a totally different class. Its meant to mimic the T5 look (like the 'standard' T4 BoP mimics the 'standard' T5 look). The only way it'd work on a T5 BoP is if there was a Retrofit or Refit model of the T4 (like the Defiant, Intrepid, Galaxy retrofits, and the Vor'cha Refit).
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# 3
12-03-2011, 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Destinii
It's a T4 BoP skin. Of course it's not usable on the T5 BoP which is a totally different class. Its meant to mimic the T5 look (like the 'standard' T4 BoP mimics the 'standard' T5 look). The only way it'd work on a T5 BoP is if there was a Retrofit or Refit model of the T4 (like the Defiant, Intrepid, Galaxy retrofits, and the Vor'cha Refit).
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Whether or not its a refit/retrofit is irrevelant. Case in point the Puyjaq T4 raptor can have its skin applied to the T5 Raptor, they share almost the same frame, similarly, the Ch'tang and the t5 BoP variant share the same frame, I'm just suprised and confused that it cannot be applied to the T5 in this case, and would welcome the chance to equipt the skin on my T5 at some point.
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# 4
12-03-2011, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rafeism
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Whether or not its a refit/retrofit is irrevelant. Case in point the Puyjaq T4 raptor can have its skin applied to the T5 Raptor, they share almost the same frame, similarly, the Ch'tang and the t5 BoP variant share the same frame, I'm just suprised and confused that it cannot be applied to the T5 in this case, and would welcome the chance to equipt the skin on my T5 at some point.
Mmm, no, the Puyjaq skin can't be used on the Qin. Because they're different classes. It's usable on the Pach, which is the T4 raptor.
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# 5
12-03-2011, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Destinii
Mmm, no, the Puyjaq skin can't be used on the Qin. Because they're different classes. It's usable on the Pach, which is the T4 raptor.
Ok, I thought I had seem several on the T5's but I guess I was mistaken. For the record they're not "differerent classes", rather different tier ship.
In any case it would be nice to apply these new skins to t5 variants who share the same frames to begin with, much like the T4 Venture and Bellorphon Ships skin apply to thier refits at t5, obviously qin and Hegh'ta's are not refits, but again shouldn't matter, frames are almost identical. Just gone two years w/o bop or raptor skins, and the ones we get are for t4 ? . With how quickly leveling progression can go at cpt rank, one would probably not spend more than a few days at most at T4, so its just kind of a waste to me. The powers are nice, but the lack of skin options at t5 for bops and raptors is sad. Heck, the t5 defiant refit now has 4 skin choices! the t5 bop? two...and those have been around since launch
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# 6
12-03-2011, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rafeism
Ok, I thought I had seem several on the T5's but I guess I was mistaken. For the record they're not "differerent classes", rather different tier ship.
In any case it would be nice to apply these new skins to t5 variants who share the same frames to begin with, much like the T4 Venture and Bellorphon Ships skin apply to thier refits at t5, obviously qin and Hegh'ta's are not refits, but again shouldn't matter, frames are almost identical. Just gone two years w/o bop or raptor skins, and the ones we get are for t4 ? . With how quickly leveling progression can go at cpt rank, one would probably not spend more than a few days at most at T4, so its just kind of a waste to me. The powers are nice, but the lack of skin options at t5 for bops and raptors is sad. Heck, the t5 defiant refit now has 4 skin choices! the t5 bop? two...and those have been around since launch
I'll agree that the KDF ships should get more skins. But saying you should be able to use the Ch'Ting skin on the Hegh'Ta is like saying you should be able to use the Galaxy saucer on the Sovereign. They might both be cruisers, but they're completely different ships. Same thing with the Raptors and Birds of Prey. They might look similar and be in the same 'class', but they're not the same ships or even variants of each other.

The reason the Belerophon, Sao Paulo, and Venture work on T5 ships as well, is because, those *are* the same ships.. the T5 version just has extra powers. Right now, there are *no* KDF Retrofits. There's only one Refit, the Vorcha, and the T4 skins *do* work on the T5 version of it. If ever the KDF gets T5 retrofits of T4 ships, I'm certain the T4 skins will *also* work on them, just like the T4 skins work on the T5 retrofits of Federation ships.
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# 7
12-03-2011, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Destinii
I'll agree that the KDF ships should get more skins. But saying you should be able to use the Ch'Ting skin on the Hegh'Ta is like saying you should be able to use the Galaxy saucer on the Sovereign. They might both be cruisers, but they're completely different ships. Same thing with the Raptors and Birds of Prey. They might look similar and be in the same 'class', but they're not the same ships or even variants of each other.

The reason the Belerophon, Sao Paulo, and Venture work on T5 ships as well, is because, those *are* the same ships.. the T5 version just has extra powers. Right now, there are *no* KDF Retrofits. There's only one Refit, the Vorcha, and the T4 skins *do* work on the T5 version of it. If ever the KDF gets T5 retrofits of T4 ships, I'm certain the T4 skins will *also* work on them, just like the T4 skins work on the T5 retrofits of Federation ships.
Missed my point I think. I don't know the name of the T5 BoP variant, its not called the Hegh"ta tho, and they look exactly the same in their build. You're talking about academic distinctions that mean little to nothing cozied up to the fact that both the raptor skin, and the BoP (t5 bop second variant, not heghta) would work on their t5 counterparts. There is no situation fed side where lower tier ships of such similarity have better skins than that of thier T5 counterparts, thanks in part to the refit system. I'm well aware that they're not the SAME ships, what I'm sayin is that the models are nearly identical in thier hardpoints/build/frame and it'd be grand to use them as a skin. My chief complaint here is that you'll get days out of these skins, and its kind of worthless when kdf has soo few skins at t5 level. just sux is all. Fed side has a few ships that are only t1-4, but when it comes to constumes, feds have more store options that can be upgraded to thier t5 refits...the fact that the kdf doesn't have any refits ( -the vorcha )isn't an excuse so much as its adding insult to injury (would love some kdf refits!) . So however you want to spin this into a way that works, it'd be nice to have more options for kdf at T5, and this would be easy in the short term.

EDIT: the T5 BoP variant is called the Haj . Compare the Haj to the Ch'tang. The ch'tang looks like the progression of the Haj, except that its at t4 rank rather than the opposite. Thats all I'm saying, wasted at its tier, as the Haj is ugly in comparison, but yet the next tier, the upgrade is from this cool ship into this old n busted looking thing?? So devs, Allow the Ch'tang pieces to be used on the Haj, thanks!
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# 8
12-04-2011, 05:07 AM
I agree that the Raptor skins and T2 or higher BOP skins should be useable on higher level ships of the same class. It gives more variety and customization.
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