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# 11
12-12-2011, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Sabrefyre
aye...carrier spammm!
This has been my biggest issue as of late. All of the fighters/frigatges, mines, acetons generators make it so its hard to target someone, even using the mose to target has beconme a chore.
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# 12
12-12-2011, 07:51 PM
Disable nameplates on the random spam, makes targeting very easy.
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# 13
12-12-2011, 08:06 PM
It kinda sucks that every non-cloacking Klingon ship uses spam.
A few fleeties & myself where talking about setting up a premade team. We were discussing various strategies, & It sucks that a lot of them would bring tons of cheese to the match just as a by-product of the deployables that a non-cloaking team generates.You either have to gimp yourselves, or spam.
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# 14
12-12-2011, 09:01 PM
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It kinda sucks that every non-cloacking Klingon ship uses spam.
A few fleeties & myself where talking about setting up a premade team. We were discussing various strategies, & It sucks that a lot of them would bring tons of cheese to the match just as a by-product of the deployables that a non-cloaking team generates.You either have to gimp yourselves, or spam.

I mean really. Feddies spam AMS KDF spams spam. Feddies spam SS and pengs KDF spams Spam. It all seems fair I just think some feds are mad their spam is not as good as KDF spam.
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# 15
12-12-2011, 10:10 PM
Counters to new Klink cheese?

Fed whine, I suppose..
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# 16
12-12-2011, 11:00 PM
This game encourages spam. they want us to battle each other PVE style.
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# 17
12-13-2011, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Destinii
Counters to new Klink cheese?

Fed whine, I suppose..
That's not a counter, but it makes a fine dinner.
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# 18
12-13-2011, 02:46 AM
Funny how the majority of players (Federation) have a cry now about cheese and powers when it gets used against them.

Guess what

Even well before season 5 almost every player (except a few true champs that don't use bs to win) loaded up on the formerly massively overpowered torpedo spread , thought it was totally ok that they insta kill people with massive crits through shields, or run every cruiser with AMS and harpengs v1 when klingons didn't have them.

When targeting changes were made allowing players to ignore photonics and mines when in battle targeting, effectively nerfing the purpose of fed spam, did spam suddenly become not cool. Back when klingons had no carriers, feds where spamming mines like crazy but you know its ok to spam if your fed but not klingon.

But now suddenly its not ok to use cheese because feddie player is getting it used against himself without having good enough cheese to throw back. Fed escorts consoles not up to par in the cheese factor compared to klingons ones, boo hoo.

Long have feds out cheesed klingons and thought it was all good, because they are federation players anything federation does or gets is never wrong or overpowered at all.......
Long have feds used cheese and had far better ships with BO layouts and more variety to easily squash most klingon players.
Not anymore, klingons are getting their fair share of cheese now and hopefully coming soon negvar and raptor refits that equal federation options in ship choices at end game PVP.

The game is cheese online, has been going that way for a long time. Efforts were tried to have cheese free tournaments and matches and it failed due to epic QQ'ing from certain federation fleets and players, that couldn't win without there cheese.
Now your enemy can more than out cheese you and suddenly the perspective changes to oh now its not cool to use cheese any more

Qew was making threads long ago about cheese and nobody except us gave a toss
The community has only it self to blame for the state of the game, you reap what you sow.

And for the people that are crying because klingons can out-cheese feds atm, don't worry im sure cryptic will release the enterprise F with extra cheese abilities just for you,
God forbid actually learning to play the game and use skill / tactics and teamwork to win. Who needs that stuff anyway when you can have moar cheese.
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# 19
12-13-2011, 03:00 AM
Eh, we feds are doomed in Ker'rat, "mala tempora currunt" as the famous latin saying goes. Life was rough before but now with the klis toy consoles used at the same time against a single target...it's impossible to evade or fight. I tried everything but there aren't effective counters balancing all this nasty spam and cheese.
The only tactics is an immediate pugging team to focus fire, hoping to hold on tightly for some time, but at the end of the battle the feds will be all...dead!
I was able alone to vaporize at least one bandit () when attacking with a surprise cloaked alpha in my beloved Defiant or Dreadnought, but in these hard times the lack of tanking or tactical space abilities make me aware of we feds need a best starship. Cryptic, give me the Enterprise F, I want it and I want it now!
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# 20
12-13-2011, 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Vipermist
Funny how the majority of players (Federation) have a cry now about cheese and powers when it gets used against them.

Guess what

Even well before season 5 almost every player (except a few true champs that don't use bs to win) loaded up on the formerly massively overpowered torpedo spread , thought it was totally ok that they insta kill people with massive crits through shields, or run every cruiser with AMS and harpengs v1 when klingons didn't have them.

When targeting changes were made allowing players to ignore photonics and mines when in battle targeting, effectively nerfing the purpose of fed spam, did spam suddenly become not cool. Back when klingons had no carriers, feds where spamming mines like crazy but you know its ok to spam if your fed but not klingon.

But now suddenly its not ok to use cheese because feddie player is getting it used against himself without having good enough cheese to throw back. Fed escorts consoles not up to par in the cheese factor compared to klingons ones, boo hoo.

Long have feds out cheesed klingons and thought it was all good, because they are federation players anything federation does or gets is never wrong or overpowered at all.......
Long have feds used cheese and had far better ships with BO layouts and more variety to easily squash most klingon players.
Not anymore, klingons are getting their fair share of cheese now and hopefully coming soon negvar and raptor refits that equal federation options in ship choices at end game PVP.

The game is cheese online, has been going that way for a long time. Efforts were tried to have cheese free tournaments and matches and it failed due to epic QQ'ing from certain federation fleets and players, that couldn't win without there cheese.
Now your enemy can more than out cheese you and suddenly the perspective changes to oh now its not cool to use cheese any more

Qew was making threads long ago about cheese and nobody except us gave a toss
The community has only it self to blame for the state of the game, you reap what you sow.

And for the people that are crying because klingons can out-cheese feds atm, don't worry im sure cryptic will release the enterprise F with extra cheese abilities just for you,
God forbid actually learning to play the game and use skill / tactics and teamwork to win. Who needs that stuff anyway when you can have moar cheese.
Very well said.EXACTLY my thoughts!
The federation has always been consistent with a double standard approach in game regarding the Klingon side.And because the vast majority of STO players are exclusively or mainly Starfleet,they ve had their "cheese" and ate it too.
As mentioned by Vipermist ,you poor little unfairly treated feds,now running with ur bloody noses in Kerrat need to be patient.Very soon Klingon cheese will be nerfed and more importantly YOU will be getting some realy good cheese yourselves which i ve no doubt will bring balance back to the game meaning feds will once again get the upper hand
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