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# 21
12-13-2011, 03:43 AM
Vipermist, you are right but please, admit that neither a good teamwork or a perfect timing of the abilities can counter all this spam, it's literally impossible! And I think the Devs are correcting the game imbalance with more game imbalance, unable to debug a code probably become too complex to satisfy the PVPers. So by now you klis have the toy consoles and we feds will have the Enterprise F...
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# 22
12-13-2011, 03:46 AM
I hope so, Pantheras, I hope so...
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# 23
12-13-2011, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Vipermist
Funny how the majority of players (Federation) have a cry now about cheese and powers when it gets used against them.

Guess what

Even well before season 5 almost every player (except a few true champs that don't use bs to win) loaded up on the formerly massively overpowered torpedo spread , thought it was totally ok that they insta kill people with massive crits through shields,
Which Fed players complained about at length and which I never used in PvP.

Same goes for broken skills such as the current FPB (pre-fix) and Transfer shield strength once I learned that it was incorrectly calculated. That's even though I see a good portion of players (some of them long term PvPers) using such broken abilities.

Funnily enough Feds do get hit by the cheese in FvF and hate it just as much.


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or run every cruiser with AMS and harpengs v1 when klingons didn't have them.
Never bought the venture and don't intend to. Also you seem to be forgetting that the AMS was complained about in this forum, mostly by those who main a fed.

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When targeting changes were made allowing players to ignore photonics and mines when in battle targeting, effectively nerfing the purpose of fed spam, did spam suddenly become not cool. Back when klingons had no carriers, feds where spamming mines like crazy but you know its ok to spam if your fed but not klingon.
Nope, Feds complain about mine spam as well.

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But now suddenly its not ok to use cheese because feddie player is getting it used against himself without having good enough cheese to throw back. Fed escorts consoles not up to par in the cheese factor compared to klingons ones, boo hoo.
Never bothered to buy one, it's rather sad in my opinion.


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Long have feds used cheese and had far better ships with BO layouts and more variety to easily squash most klingon players.
Yes, Feds have far better ships...

Negh'var - Available at RA and doesn't require to be bought from C-store. Has the same BO and console layout as the Gal-R (though of course with an extra tact-console slot and the expense of a device slot), with a much better turnrate (higher then an excelsiors), a cloaking device, ability to equip DHC's and higher crew.

Vorcha Refit - Same BO layout as an assault cruiser, the obligatory cloaking device, best turnrate for a T5 cruiser, can be equipped with DHC's. All at the expense of a very small amount of hull (not shields though). Don't get me wrong, I love my Vorcha refit and wouldn't want it changed, but it really does have an advantage over Fed ships. The thing has far greater damage potential then an Excelsior ever will and with far better tanking ability.

Orion cruiser - Same BO layout as a star cruiser, higher impulse modifier and turnrate. Same console stations minus one sci-slot and can launch interceptors.


As for variation:-
Feds have been crying for ages about a lack of a Fed carrier. They will probably never get one, with cryptic saying this is to keep both factions individual.

Klinks cried about the lack of a Klink sci-ship. They got the tanky Varanus.

Feds have cruisers, escorts and sci ships.

Klinks have battlecruisers, raptors (escort-type), Birds of Prey, cruisers, carriers and sci-ships.

Klinks may lack in PvE content, but as far as ships go they aren't remotely badly done to.


Personally I like my Klink ships as they are, but these pay-to-win consoles are insane (including Fed consoles, though they are more pay-to-escape). If it's not fixed, Klinks might as well just not bother queuing up for PvP and stick to Kerrat, because almost no Fed will want to play FvK when they come up against that amount of P2W console spam.
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# 24
12-13-2011, 05:01 AM
Wait a minute, Alendiak, don't say that the klis are OP...they take offence easily!:p
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# 25
12-13-2011, 05:55 AM
i have 2 feds toons and 1 klink toon,but i still think that its more team makeup than it is the "cheese" itself.when im in my kar'fi carrier ive had 6-7 wins in a row until a fed fleet comes on and bashes the klink pugs into the ground.all feds pugs lack is organization and teamwork, and the lack thereof is y feds get rolled all day long.
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# 26
12-13-2011, 06:33 AM
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I s'pose the Klinks are enjoying their new toys
No less enjoyment than the fed AMS until a reliable counter was put ingame for it. The AA will be a secondadry thought once they give a "one button" counter for it ingame since shooting them down is too difficult for the feds.

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Aceton Assimilator - I know I only shoot it with torpedos, but does anything clear the power drain?
Shoot it with torpedos

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Crazy *** space-shield
Fly around it. Its a wall and nothing more.

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Graviton pulse thingy
Engineering team is suppossed clear this. Engine batts and other "run" items help one escape still but the the turn rate lock is only cleared by ET, I believe.

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Theta Radiation
I believe like EWP there is only a soft counter to this. Possibly HE?

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Can AMS be countered
countered by ST, though I've seen some saying it still disables EVM at times.
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# 27
12-13-2011, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Vipermist
SNIPPED.
Very freaking true. Every word, every sentence, every thought portrayed....
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# 28
12-13-2011, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Roach View Post
Very freaking true. Every word, every sentence, every thought portrayed....
There are still players froma some known fleets that think mine spam is cool. Its funny that you see a lot more feds flying cruisers now. I was AMS'd 3 times in row last night.
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# 29
12-13-2011, 10:41 AM
Hold up!

I need to go to the store and get some cheese...Goes well with all the whine here. :p
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# 30
12-13-2011, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sabrefyre
Disable nameplates on the random spam, makes targeting very easy.
Its not the names bothering me, its cycling through the target button or clicking on a target with the mouse to target a ship and gets fighters/mines instead.
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