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# 31
12-16-2011, 08:17 AM
Most of the fights against the Borg have been shown from a fed point of view, we've never seen a JH ship go against a cube or sphere.
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# 32
12-16-2011, 08:42 AM
We've never seen them fight Klingons, Romulans or Cardassians either. Yet we see that they have encountered them post First Contact. So the Borg and Dominion encountering each other is not much of a stretch. *What* that interaction entails and how the two powers regard each other is a bit of a mystery.
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# 33
12-16-2011, 09:26 AM
So if a thread is a zombie, dies, and then revives again, is it still a zombie?

Few points: The Borg have six transwarp nodes. Their own map of the galaxy shows that they have one in each quadrant (suggesting that two may be outside the galaxy), and conduits throughout all four quadrants. So they have as much access to the Dominion as they do to the Federation.

There's two good reasons to think they haven't assimmilated more than the oddball Jem'hadar here or there, though. The Dominion could have given them two very big advantages against the Federation:

A. The Borg don't reproduce - it's more efficient to assimilate new drones than wait for ones to grow up. However, vat-grown Jem'hadar grow up in a couple days, making for an efficient way to produce drones on demand, in the field, when assimilation efforts are failing.
B. Ketracel-White. The Federation and KDF both have pretty successful programs for removing drones from the collective, and doing so has been the key to the war against the Borg. If the Borg possessed Ketracel-White, they could effectively make their drones immune to liberation by addicting them all by distributing it during regeneration cycles. The Federation never did figure out how to replicate the stuff during the Dominion War, meaning any liberated addict would eventually die without the drug.
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# 34
12-16-2011, 10:53 AM
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So if a thread is a zombie, dies, and then revives again, is it still a zombie?

Few points: The Borg have six transwarp nodes. Their own map of the galaxy shows that they have one in each quadrant (suggesting that two may be outside the galaxy), and conduits throughout all four quadrants. So they have as much access to the Dominion as they do to the Federation.

There's two good reasons to think they haven't assimmilated more than the oddball Jem'hadar here or there, though. The Dominion could have given them two very big advantages against the Federation:

A. The Borg don't reproduce - it's more efficient to assimilate new drones than wait for ones to grow up. However, vat-grown Jem'hadar grow up in a couple days, making for an efficient way to produce drones on demand, in the field, when assimilation efforts are failing.
B. Ketracel-White. The Federation and KDF both have pretty successful programs for removing drones from the collective, and doing so has been the key to the war against the Borg. If the Borg possessed Ketracel-White, they could effectively make their drones immune to liberation by addicting them all by distributing it during regeneration cycles. The Federation never did figure out how to replicate the stuff during the Dominion War, meaning any liberated addict would eventually die without the drug.
this makes sense.

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# 35
12-16-2011, 12:27 PM
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A. The Borg don't reproduce - it's more efficient to assimilate new drones than wait for ones to grow up. However, vat-grown Jem'hadar grow up in a couple days, making for an efficient way to produce drones on demand, in the field, when assimilation efforts are failing.
Aren't there little infant Borg on the first or at least one of the first cubes the TNG crew beams onto? And for that matter, wasn't 7 of 9 assimilated as a child? Not arguing, just saying - canon is sometimes ludicrous.
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# 36
12-16-2011, 03:31 PM
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Aren't there little infant Borg on the first or at least one of the first cubes the TNG crew beams onto? And for that matter, wasn't 7 of 9 assimilated as a child? Not arguing, just saying - canon is sometimes ludicrous.
They do mature assimilated children, but as 7 also pointed out they don't produce children of their own.

As for the infants, that was the first Borg episode, and the Borg were very different than they what they eventually became.

In that first episode, Q explained that the Borg were only interested in the Enterprise, not its crew - other organic races were something to be cast aside, but technology was something they could take and use. In that episode, the Borg were a distinct race themselves, and reproduced as such.

They were changed into something more sinister the very next time they appeared, and most of what's canon about them started from that episode, not their previous appearance.
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# 37
12-17-2011, 08:04 AM
That's a great looking Jem'Hadar, they really did a nice job on the textures.
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