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Lt. Commander
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# 11
01-12-2012, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Aevn
I like it leave it.
Do you have a 1310x1440 resolution of black empty space? Thats what I have.
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# 12
01-12-2012, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Pottsey
Just tested on a 1680x1050 screen and the forums look great on it. As you get higher then that the forums stay the same size but the black border gets bigger and bigger. That's the problem, fix width. Set the forums to 80% instead of fixed.
I will never understand why web developers refuse to allow forums to use all available width. Its like they want it to look terrible at high resolution, or something. Or maybe they just hate us. That's possible too.
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# 13
01-12-2012, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Vexiom
I will never understand why web developers refuse to allow forums to use all available width. Its like they want it to look terrible at high resolution, or something. Or maybe they just hate us. That's possible too.
The problem is when you set up something that is text based to use 100% of a screen, you can't really be very "artsy" with it. Doing the whole "window floating over space picture" thing becomes just noise making it hard to read the text. So you need SOME margins if you want your site to look like something. Also keep in mind that sites have various menus and logos that need to be not just accessible, but look consistent from page to page within the site. They really do spend lots of time determining which links people click from which pages, and things like that.

To keep the look and feel consistent is another important part of brand identity. You really don't want your webpage looking great on a laptop, but terribly wide on a high resolution monitor. It gets extremely difficult to read a page when the text goes all the way across (this is why newspapers use columns).

The solution then, is to either have things totally relatively sized, where the site is 80% wide, and the buttons are 10% wide, etc etc.. and the fonts are mapped out in similar relative sizes. Of course the problem is that up until recently, graphics couldn't be relatively sized. They're made of pixels in almost every case, which are of a static size. You can now, in some browsers, use vector graphics inline within webpages, but the rendering of those images is still sluggish and experimental, and doesn't work on all platforms, screens, and browsers.

So you're faced with a problem as a designer. Who do you make your webpage for? Well I suppose in part you would love to poll all your readers to see what resolutions they tend to use. But in a world increasingly populated with smartphones and tablets and netbooks and the like, small monitors are making a comeback.

But I'll tell you something about relative sizing. When you mix it with standard pixel graphics, it can have a lot of unexpected side effects. A 20% wide sidebar may seem like plenty when you're working on your desktop machine, and you drop in your 200px site logo. But when you get that same site pulled up on a netbook, that 20% can turn very quickly into just barely 204 pixels. Which sounds perfect.. unless you added a 1em margin around the image.
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# 14
01-12-2012, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PodSix
The solution then, is to either have things totally relatively sized, where the site is 80% wide, and the buttons are 10% wide, etc etc.. and the fonts are mapped out in similar relative sizes. Of course the problem is that up until recently, graphics couldn't be relatively sized. They're made of pixels in almost every case, which are of a static size. You can now, in some browsers, use vector graphics inline within webpages, but the rendering of those images is still sluggish and experimental, and doesn't work on all platforms, screens, and browsers.

So you're faced with a problem as a designer. Who do you make your webpage for? Well I suppose in part you would love to poll all your readers to see what resolutions they tend to use. But in a world increasingly populated with smartphones and tablets and netbooks and the like, small monitors are making a comeback.
Bull. This is a forum. Artsy is not required. Fancy backdrops just take up space. If they want a nice header, that's fine. But there is NO reason to have massive amounts of black space on either side. That is a failure of BOTH design and function.

I get that the site might look slightly different from monitor to monitor if they were to use relative sizing. I see this as being infinitely better than the type of mess you get with fixed widths. Seriously, this isn't HTML1 any more. If i want a wide forum, let me have one.
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# 15
01-12-2012, 01:07 PM
You can always zoom on the page by pressing and holding CTRL and then pressing the + or - keys to zoon in on the site page.
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# 16
01-12-2012, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MECHTECH09 View Post
You can always zoom on the page by pressing and holding CTRL and then pressing the + or - keys to zoon in on the site page.
That's what I did, and the forums look better now. I'm not sure why this is such a big deal.

Edit: Let me just add that the while it does look better, the contrast between the brightness of the text and the dark background is hurting my eyes. The background color needs to be less dark. That's all.
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# 17
01-12-2012, 01:17 PM
Portrait format monitor FTW. But I agree, why can't they code it so that it stretches to fill whatever width your screen is? It's not like it's not possible or never been done before.

In Cryptic's defense, this is not a Cryptic-only problem. Most internet fora I come across are done like this and it's stupid.
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# 18
01-12-2012, 01:21 PM
This is a subject that is totally worth complaining about. Borked queues be damned, they need to fix this dead space now!
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# 19
01-12-2012, 01:26 PM
STRG + Mouse wheel UP
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# 20
01-12-2012, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MECHTECH09 View Post
You can always zoom on the page by pressing and holding CTRL and then pressing the + or - keys to zoon in on the site page.
Then every other page you open up is massive. It works but its a pain to have to zoom and in out eveytime you swap from STO to another website.
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