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# 11
01-31-2012, 09:48 AM
I fail to understand how KDF cruisers are better than excelsiors and gal-x in term of burst and damage capabilities. And even if it was true, now compare the raptor and garumba with fed escorts and you will see a much greater hole in favor to feds.

And what's your definition of game balance? If you are talking about competitive pvp, then the ody will be better than the sluggish borta because you want a cruiser or nebula / d'kyr for healing and escorts for dps.

People wanted the ody to be a weapon plateform and it is why they are so upset about its configuration.
IMO give it the same config as the borta so people will be happy and then it wont make healer ships obsolete.


And for science consoles...
They may be useless for people that don't know what to do with them, but they are awesome for some builds like my tactical bop so it is not a generality.
But I agree they can add some new interresting science consoles.
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# 12
01-31-2012, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by drkfrontiers
A.K.A the Odyssey Class.

The ships are not even live and Cryptic is already living up to it's reputation......

Seeing as the Bortas only has 1 science slot and the Odyssey 3, the Federation looses nothing and gains two extra engineering slots, ie. more defence.

The Klingons loose an engineering console, effectively reducing its shield defence even more....
Not only that one, the Galaxy-R would benefit from it as well so it's not a "one ship buff show".
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# 13
01-31-2012, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mister_dee
Not only that one, the Galaxy-R would benefit from it as well so it's not a "one ship buff show".
I'm not surprised in the least. There's no doubt in my mind which faction this favours or where certain individual's loyalties lies.
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# 14
02-02-2012, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by drkfrontiers
I'm not surprised in the least. There's no doubt in my mind which faction this favours or where certain individual's loyalties lies.
Seriously?

The Bortas is no worse off from this change. Previously, it would have had a Borg console in the Science slot, and a Field Generator in an Engineering slot. All this change does it cause you to put Borg where the Field was and vice versa. Nothing has changed.

You're just upset because a couple of Fed cruisers will have one less dump slot. Get over it. After all, it isn't like Fed ships are the only ones to benefit.
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# 15
02-02-2012, 03:58 PM
Why in the Hell would a post about UFP Cruisers and KDF Battle Cruisers in general be moved to the Federation-specific Shipyards forum? Especially when this forum rarely, ever so rarely, sees a dev post.

Did someone not even bother to take a moment to read the actual topic post before taking this action?
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# 16
02-02-2012, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
the console setup, that has caused a lot of the debate, is the result of the devs not being aware of how imbalanced the types of consoles are. they really though those 2 console setups were balanced against each other, they wouldn't have released them in their current form if that wasn't the case. now, thanks to the flag ships, the console imbalance is finally a topic getting the attention it needs.

flooding the game with the PTW consoles and the borg console didn't help ether, that's whats kept this topic brushed under the carpet. the science consoles on non science ships were used as dump locations for those PTW consoles, nothing was lost by not slotting actual science consoles there. all those universal consoles should be made devices in my opinion, the console slots should be for consoles only.

if there was a + to weapon accuracy science console, that would finally be something a healer/support cruiser would find more valuable then a tactical console. each of the cruiser's shots aren't going to do that much damage anyway, but if they were hitting those speedy escorts more often that could mean much more damage in the long run.

the stats of these ships need to be thrown out, they are to out of line with the station setups of current ships. the odyssey and bortas should both have the exact stats the excelsior has, only the odyssey's LTC station should be science. nothing would be unbalanced, it would just be the filling of open niches within the current ship station structure.
what the heck is a PTW console?
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# 17
02-02-2012, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AdventureBro
what the heck is a PTW console?
Normally P2W. Pay-to-Win. Denoting the unbalanced +1 Ships they come from, and their frequently poorly balanced nature.
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