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# 41
02-02-2012, 06:21 AM
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Spock mentions that the Earth-Romulan war was fought with "primitive nuclear weapons" in the opener of "Balance of Terror" and later Scotty says the Romulan ship is "powered by pure impulse." Most fans considered this to mean the Romulans didn't have warp drive until their later dealings with the Klingons (whatever that was). That assumption, when you stop to think about it, is pretty silly when you figure that 1) The Romulans were an interstellar power by at least the 22nd century and 2) They fought a fairly extensive interstellar war with Earth.
i think you forget that watching TOS even once i seem to remember that there was no UFP until later into season 1 and start of season 2, spock smiling at the beginning, the vulcanians?, warp 10 being exceeded easily by the enterprise.... and so on.

it is true that romulans at that time and earlier were using impulse ships to travel, in exchange to use their massive plasma weapon, other variants of the bird of prey may not of had this weapon and can travel at warp as it was never touched on in canon, stuff like this is where the problem begins.
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# 42
02-02-2012, 02:10 PM
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i think you forget that watching TOS even once i seem to remember that there was no UFP until later into season 1 and start of season 2, spock smiling at the beginning, the vulcanians?, warp 10 being exceeded easily by the enterprise.... and so on.
True, there is very little continuity in TOS, due to the fact that not all of the details were ironed out yet (and has cause quite a bit of trouble for future series). Which is in part why I mentioned that that particular war was between Romulus and Earth, not Romulus and the Federation.

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it is true that romulans at that time and earlier were using impulse ships to travel, in exchange to use their massive plasma weapon, other variants of the bird of prey may not of had this weapon and can travel at warp as it was never touched on in canon, stuff like this is where the problem begins.
Absoultely true. There's been a lot of fan speculation regarding that particular ship (one particular good one is that the BoP was "dropped off" by a mothership of some sort, or at least towed close enough to a point to perform its mission). Especially since ENT (which is regarded by CBS as canon, whatever your personal opinion is :p) is that the Romulans did have warp drive capabilies since the 22nd century.
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# 43
02-02-2012, 03:09 PM
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Absoultely true. There's been a lot of fan speculation regarding that particular ship (one particular good one is that the BoP was "dropped off" by a mothership of some sort, or at least towed close enough to a point to perform its mission). Especially since ENT (which is regarded by CBS as canon, whatever your personal opinion is :p) is that the Romulans did have warp drive capabilies since the 22nd century.
This is actually a very likely reason. Think about it. We know from Enterprise that the Romulans used drones as well rather than commit troops and ships to de-stabilize a region of space. Even in TNG/DS9 Their military is built to be efficient, swift, and tactical but not so strong in a direct head-to-head matchup.

If the Romulans intended to attack a well-armed and potentially vast alliance, that they knew very little about, committing a vast arsenal of expensive warships requiring rare dilithium, antimatter, and technology woudl cost you a lot to build and be a huge risk. A strategy of building vast carriers/motherships to drop of cheap expendable warships has a lot of advantages when you cannot be certain who has the upper hand and you need to deal an offensive war. This is why carriers became more important than battleships during World War II naval combat.
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# 44
02-02-2012, 04:58 PM
Well, there's a workaround for everything... We Trekkies know that like no other fanbase.

I always had this mental image of six or eight of those V-shaped Starfleet vessels, built without warp coils or reactor (presumably cause exotic metals and dilithium would be hard to come by, and it lets them use an existing production line), carrying heavy nuclear cap-buster warheads in their nacelle housings instead, latching onto the container ports of J or Y-class freighters, conscripted for the war, to deliver them to whereever the fighting is. Travelling in convoys escorted by the handful of NXes and half-saucers they had.

But it's not like the warp thing was a very big concern to me, and if it had been, it'd have been First Contact's fault for giving humans warp 1 a century before that war even happened. If TOS didn't pin a date on it right at the start. My gripe with Enterprise will always be what it could've and should've been, not what it was...
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# 45
02-02-2012, 08:42 PM
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I love Enterprise, and I think Scott Bakula did a great job as the captain! But maybe I'm biased, it is afterall the show I watched every week with my father. Apart from the movies and the occasionnal TNG rerun, I only got to watch the other series recently (just finished DS9 and Voyager).

Something a lot of people don't remember : the first seasons of Voyager AND DS9 had some of the most awful episodes I've ever seen. They both get a lot better after, but even the worst episode of Enterprise cannot compare in mediocrity with them. Don't take it wrong, I love both series <3, but I think the overall quality of ENT was actually better.
I did feel the same with DS9 and lost momentum halfway through, but somehow I got hooked to Voyager and watched it till the end. Might be the characters appealed more to me.
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