Originally Posted by Koopa27

SW TOR is under maintenance!!! AHHH. I think the best part of the game is the fact I've only played STO and TOR, so I have no idea if its a clone or not! But its awesome I do know that. STO has great space combat, TOR has...well, everything else.

Originally Posted by Armsman

It's funny what you read into my postings because as they stand - YES, TOR is a better MMO game then STO by virtue of the content it launched with - no arguement there. IMO had STO been able to match the amount of mission content TOR had at launch, I do feel it would be the better game - but it didn't (by a LARGE margin) so it's not.

BUT that said - with 200 million and 6 years or development (including the pre-development phases) my point is STO introduced some more innovative MMO game mechanics. I guess my biggest dissapointment with TOR was BioWare pushing how they were doing many innovative things for TOR, yet in the end, it's a true WoW clone - with the only real MMO innovation being the story cutscene dialogue.

Originally Posted by Solomace

Still not letting go are you man.

You once again lose all credit when you call TOR a WoW clone. It's one of the most silly things a TOR hater can level at it. I take it WoW is just an EQ clone? Shesh man.

As others have mentioned, TOR has taken elements from other MMos which includes WoW as well as it's single player games and made it's own MMo.

Your making yourself look very silly m8. First it was the game isn't meeting expectations, then Bam 1.7 mil. Then it was not as innovative as STO and you still haven't backed that one up (at least Darren tried). Now it's just a WoW clone, making it sound like WoW was the first MMo and TOR copied it and just added story.

What gem have you got next?

Originally Posted by Vesko

I am sorry to say but it's not silly at all. It's a pure WoW clone in almost every aspect and yes WoW is pure EQ clone. Except the VO, the other part is just average and we can say is fail because they had 4-5 years and 200 mln. It's fail for this money. And before you say i am hater i am still playing SWTOR and have a lot of fun with my powertech.

Originally Posted by Solomace

To bad, that even with it's faults, TOR fans are not only enjoying the plentiful content consisting of PVP, PVE, Crafting, A space Mini game and 16 different classes with 8 different stories to see, no cash shop (as yet ) and with updates coming out and we are not 2 months into the game, it's showing what you can do with an IP, as long as you have a developer that cares about it's image and wants to bring out a fun game.

Originally Posted by MustrumRidcully

I do not believe that Cryptic doesn't care or doesn't care enough.
I think the problem really is that Cryptic has no budget compared to Bioware/EA. Even the best intentions and the best skills don't help if you don't have the resources.

Originally Posted by Darren_Kitlor

Are you referring to the 1.7 million subs?

Originally Posted by Solomace

Still not letting go are you man.

You once again lose all credit when you call TOR a WoW clone. It's one of the most silly things a TOR hater can level at it. I take it WoW is just an EQ clone? Shesh man.

As others have mentioned, TOR has taken elements from other MMos which includes WoW as well as it's single player games and made it's own MMo.

Your making yourself look very silly m8. First it was the game isn't meeting expectations, then Bam 1.7 mil. Then it was not as innovative as STO and you still haven't backed that one up (at least Darren tried). Now it's just a WoW clone, making it sound like WoW was the first MMo and TOR copied it and just added story.

What gem have you got next?

Originally Posted by Storm-Strike

Armsman's arguments are just clones. lol