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# 11
02-06-2012, 11:51 PM
Oh I'm sorry. Are you trying to take content away from the KDF.......WRONG
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# 12
02-06-2012, 11:59 PM
As already stated, why would the UFP use carriers? I think it makes sense to use Peregrines and attack shuttles as starbase defense, since those are immobile and launching an attack wing to intercept long range weapons or small raiding craft makes sense, but a carrier with manned fighters is more something the klingons would use. I always imagined a fighter pilot in the KDF is a initiate, young warriors yet to prove their worth and if they survive they get promoted.

But keep in mind that, in ST lore, there are no fighters at all (except for some sub-warp interceptors used for planetary defense or policing actions, Bajor had those, romulans and I guess the Federation had also something like that, see the Mars defense line in Season 3 final of TNG)). The Klingon carriers are a invention of this game and Peregrine attack craft are actually refitted civilian vessels used by the Marquis (a federation terrorist/resistance group) because they didn't have the resources to field larger craft. In the Dominion war, the Peregrine kind off got adapted by Starfleet to carry out quick special operations but were never used en masse in massive battles. That wouldn't make sense.

I would accept some kind of carrier launching drones, maybe as a countermeassure to fighters the KDF uses, but I really don't know why they would use those anyway
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# 13
02-07-2012, 12:08 AM
I think they should put Fed carriers in those grab bags in the C-Store. Just fooling.. Just wanted to step this up a notch...
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# 14
02-07-2012, 12:09 AM
Those so-called "fighters" we so big there seemed to be no ship besides the Galaxy capable of carrying them and yet they were used.
In fact the fighters were already among the fleets when they left the starbases.
They were not tugged away for travel.
So they appearently don't need a larger ship to carry them.
Also, those "fighters" are hughe, larger than Runabout that we know have an operation range of weeks.

http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/4...comparison.jpg

In addition we know it's possible for craft even without warp drive to rid inside the warpfield of one that does.
So just cluster them around larger ships and hitch a ride without consuming any fuel.
Carriers are not really needed.
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# 15
02-07-2012, 12:39 AM
I never felt that we needed carrier's. The KDF can keep them.
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# 16
02-07-2012, 12:44 AM
A federation carrier would be nice *cough* Akira proper use *cough*, however, the Klink faction has so little content I would be upset to take this particular cookie away from them.

Also the peregrine fighter is warp capable with a reasonably long range. This would mean that starfleet would not normally employ a carrier, as the ship would need to be massive, but would employ a fleet tender. This would probably have a low sensor profile and sit quite a few light years from the battlefield to avoid ambush. Any damaged fighters would simply return there for repair and rearm.

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# 17
02-07-2012, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DaLion View Post
A federation carrier would be nice *cough* Akira proper use *cough*, however, the Klink faction has so little content I would be upset to take this particular cookie away from them.

Also the peregrine fighter is warp capable with a reasonably long range. This would mean that starfleet would not normally employ a carrier, as the ship would need to be massive, but would employ a fleet tender. This would probably have a low sensor profile and sit quite a few light years from the battlefield to avoid ambush. Any damaged fighters would simply return there for repair and rearm.

Lion.
The peregrine may be warp capable, but, assuming the Feds could effectively utilise fighters in combat, I could see the necessity for a carrier role, ala the Akira. In a large fleet action, said fleet only moves as fast as its slowest vessel. If a battle group needs to move to an AOE quickly, it can't be stalled at Warp 5-7. That's where the carrier would come in.

In game terms though, I agree. Let the KDF keep 'em until they have full content.
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# 18
02-07-2012, 01:03 AM
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Actually, the KDF has five:

1. Cruiser
2. Science
3. Escort
4. Carrier
5. Raider (BoP)
I don't believe KDF have science vessels, at least not ones that can be purchased w/o the cstore.


I don't think that the UFP should get carriers but maybe something similar but different. Since the UFP doesn't really use fighters much in its tactics, maybe instead have some sort of large fleet support battleship.

For all those people that throw out that Starfleet doesn't have warships because that does not mesh with their doctrine, they are a military organization that has been in almost a constant state of war for decades, if that doesn't change their attitude toward the employment of full on battleships in this new erra, than their leaders are asinine. Even the UFP civilian leaders should understand that waging a wars with ships that aren't specifically suited for war is just getting people killed for no reason other than they don't want to appear too aggressive. I've always hated that argument.
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# 19
02-07-2012, 01:09 AM
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Actually, the KDF has five:

1. Cruiser
2. Science
3. Escort
4. Carrier
5. Raider (BoP)
More ship types, yes. However, the Federation has more individual ship classes, with 37 total between all ranks and 15 at tier 5. The KDF, meanwhile, has 33 between all ranks, 11 of which are T5. This, of course, excludes the Jem'Hadar attack ship, as it isn't exclusive to either faction, as well as shuttles and fighters, though the Federation still has the numbers advantage there with 7 to the KDF's 3.

The grass is still very much greener on the Federation's side.
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# 20
02-07-2012, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Pondara
I don't believe KDF have science vessels, at least not ones that can be purchased w/o the cstore.


I don't think that the UFP should get carriers but maybe something similar but different. Since the UFP doesn't really use fighters much in its tactics, maybe instead have some sort of large fleet support battleship.

For all those people that throw out that Starfleet doesn't have warships because that does not mesh with their doctrine, they are a military organization that has been in almost a constant state of war for decades, if that doesn't change their attitude toward the employment of full on battleships in this new erra, than their leaders are asinine. Even the UFP civilian leaders should understand that waging a wars with ships that aren't specifically suited for war is just getting people killed for no reason other than they don't want to appear too aggressive. I've always hated that argument.
Not having warships doesn't mean their ships aren't armed like crazy. Starfleets ships aren't warships but mainly explorers, their personnel aren't soldiers but that doesn't mean they are defenseless. Think of the trading fleets in the colonial age. Merchant ships weren't warships but most likely outgunned every frigate or early ships of the line there were. Most of Starfleet's ships load so many guns that they outright scare away minor species, if you put those ships together in a fleet they can hurt you very badly.

I agree with you that they have expanded their tactical department and should have created some ships designed for combat (they actually have, Defiants are destroyers, the Akira-Class dedicated gunships etc.) but Starfleet is not the U.S. Navy. I hate that Star Trek becomes more and more Warhammer 40k. Starfleet has sharp teeth, but won't bite until you cross the line
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