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Well, I decide to make a new character on the klingon side because of the carriers I saw that the feds can't have..Which is not very fair.

Some other things I found that make the KDF with total advantages over Fed Ship

Seems some KDF ships can has up to 5 'Universal' BO positions, so you can put anything you want there 5 tactical officers if you want. While Fed is restricted to set BO positions

Seem the Klingon Raiders (Escorts) have up to a 26 turn rate (and that without skills) where the best Federation Escort has a max of 17.

And this is fair?
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# 2
02-09-2012, 02:15 AM
No its not and its not going to change ever.

Kdf have been overpowered since Beta and its simply a fact now. They have superior Turnrate, more flexible BOff Layouts, Cannons on pretty much any ship, a cloak on almost any ship for free and they dont have any disadvantages for all that (except certain ships like Chang Bop with very little HP).

A long time ago KDF cruisers tended to have about 5 % less hull to compensate for Turn/Cloak/Cannons (that compensation in itself is so LOL), however one day they were patched and the devs in their infinite wisdom increased klingon ships HP to that of their Fed counterparts, then even the illusion of balance was out the window.

However there are a few KDF lobbyists that will burn u alive for speaking such truths and come up with any excuse to defend this state of the game, so best thing to do is just accept it. If u want a fair and balanced fight, only do KvK or FvF pvp or simply abandon the idea of PVP entirely. Its broken and completely pointless gameplaywise.

None of the things above are of much consequence in PVE, so just enjoy both sides and their ships there.

Now let the flames come :p
Oh and just for the record, i got 3 KDF toons at VA, enjoying them quite a bit; doesnt change the fact that their toys are OP though.
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# 3
02-09-2012, 02:18 AM
whining about klingons being op... mentions a BoP setup with 5 tacs... where the airlock in this thread.
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# 4
02-09-2012, 02:45 AM
Kdf are not overpowered. They just don't show up to s pvp match with all sci's in sci ships with no dps
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# 5
02-09-2012, 02:59 AM
I was trying to equate the Klingon side to the fed side and I guess Raptor class would be like the Science vessels in Fed? Raptors seem to be mid-range in speed and hull between the raider and cruisers.

KDF doesn't seem to have a 'science vessel' , of course if you want one just put Science BO's in those 'universal' slots. Want an engineering place those. The 'mix and match' BO's would be really nice on my fed ship.
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# 6
02-09-2012, 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Hornet331 View Post
whining about klingons being op... mentions a BoP setup with 5 tacs... where the airlock in this thread.
I will gladly show you to the airlock, let me get in orbit first.. :p
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# 7
02-09-2012, 03:20 AM
I love these threads.

OK, okay, okies, I do not PvP as much as I should. But I do when I can and I do play both sides. Here we go.

Unless something got borked or changed as a rule the KDF enjoys less shields than their Fed counter parts. So "more hull" gets cancelled out a little there.

Yes we can put heavy dual cannons on most any KLINGON ship, still most do not. Why? Because a bad turn rate makes a dualie wielding cruiser into a one pass wonder in PvP. Yes I have dualie cannon builds I use right now... In STFs.


There is only one class of ship in the game with naught but universal stations, it also has less hull, less shields, and less guns than an escort or a raptor and that is the Bird of Prey, (or the BoP as most call it). As I recall only one BoP can actually out turn a Defiant and that is the B'rel, which has almost no defense, (well a little more than the T1 ship it is drawn from which is not a whole hell of a lot).
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# 8
02-09-2012, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain_Starblazer View Post
Well, I decide to make a new character on the klingon side because of the carriers I saw that the feds can't have..Which is not very fair.

Some other things I found that make the KDF with total advantages over Fed Ship

Seems some KDF ships can has up to 5 'Universal' BO positions, so you can put anything you want there 5 tactical officers if you want. While Fed is restricted to set BO positions

Seem the Klingon Raiders (Escorts) have up to a 26 turn rate (and that without skills) where the best Federation Escort has a max of 17.

And this is fair?
The Feds have this: Mutli-Vector Advanced Escort

It has a much higher turn rate than you are giving the Feds credit for once separated and its Beta Section makes BoP's cry.


Honestly, the Klingons DO finally have some serious Console and ship Advantages over the Federation. It took a long time to see that happen... However, is that not the way it should be to a fair extent? The KDF is a group of honed warriors and a serious killing machine. Starfleet is a group of peace keepers who sometimes fight for their lives...


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Originally Posted by Captain_Starblazer View Post
I was trying to equate the Klingon side to the fed side and I guess Raptor class would be like the Science vessels in Fed? Raptors seem to be mid-range in speed and hull between the raider and cruisers.

KDF doesn't seem to have a 'science vessel' , of course if you want one just put Science BO's in those 'universal' slots. Want an engineering place those. The 'mix and match' BO's would be really nice on my fed ship.
KDF has some Science Vessels in the form of the Gorn Ships leading into the Varanus and the Vo'quv Carrier. The BoP's are also supposed to be their equivalent of a Science Ship but an odd one... However, they really do not do one to one ship comparisons well.

Their "Cruisers" are NOT Cruisers... They are War Ships and are designed to be large heavy battleships that can still get the job done. (ie... Do not turn like a MOON) Their Raptors are not like Science ships at all... They are like heavily plated Escorts. (They turn like the MVAE when it is fully assembled for instance but are notably tougher) The best Fed example would be when the Galaxy R pops off its Saucer and becomes much more like a Raptor without their awesome Tactical Slots.
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# 9
02-09-2012, 03:30 AM
klingon bird of prey ships are as squishy as they come. the really good captains have to rely on hit and run tactics and running away just to survive half the time. in a straight up fight with no running away id take a defiant over a bird of prey all the time.

why should every side have exactly the same layouts and ships. it makes it boring. yes klingons have carriers but klingons dont have MVAM or saucer sep. carriers are not that great anyway. they also lag behind in science config layouts. they have slightly less options at endgame compared to feds.
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# 10
02-09-2012, 05:00 AM
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I was trying to equate the Klingon side to the fed side and I guess Raptor class would be like the Science vessels in Fed? Raptors seem to be mid-range in speed and hull between the raider and cruisers.
Raptor class is a tactical ship. It's the KDF's escort.

A BoP is nothing like an escort.

Then again, you did complain about both a lack of carriers AND the BoP turnrate in your original post, so you're still new to the faction.

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KDF doesn't seem to have a 'science vessel'
Correct.

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, of course if you want one just put Science BO's in those 'universal' slots. Want an engineering place those. The 'mix and match' BO's would be really nice on my fed ship.
It doesn't work out that way. Science BOFFs don't make you a science vessel. You're missing the innate science vessel stuff. And most of the time you're shoving science BOFF powers onto a vessel far more suited for something else.

It's like shoving a tactical BOFF onto your universal slot on the Odyssey and saying "Hey, I'm an escort now!"
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