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# 41
02-17-2012, 02:52 PM
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Social Engineering in the Star Trek Franchise has been there since day one and exists in varrying levels in every episode. One of the more obvious is the intention to faslsely portray socialism as a panacea for an altruistic society. [...]
Human beings are pretty good at patern recognition. So good, in fact, that they can see patterns where there are none.

See, Star Trek clearly always had a agenda, nobody would doubt that. The protrayal of women in leadership positions in the 1960s (Lt. Uhura was an officer, after all), the portrayal of racial equailty (again, Uhura, and of course Sulu, not to mention Spock). But is is the agenda of well-meaning episode authors, who took subjects from the daily news and put them into an SF setting to say what they felt should be said about it.

And btw: The Federation may seem socialist by today's standards, but in fact, it is just increcibly wealthy due to its technology. It's easy to say that you "don't care for money" when everything you could possibly want just pops out of the replicator.
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Spock / Leonard Nimoy "logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"

Get it now?
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# 43
02-17-2012, 08:58 PM
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Social Engineering in the Star Trek Franchise has been there since day one and exists in varrying levels in every episode. One of the more obvious is the intention to faslsely portray socialism as a panacea for an altruistic society.
This is just false.

When things can be materialized from thin air, economics as we know it ceases to have any relevance. Society in ST's Earth is supposed to be one that has completely transcended modern day's petty, conflicting ideas of economics. It goes hand in hand with the portrayal of ST's Earth as having transcended modern concepts of race. 23rd century Earth is beyond economics, beyond race, beyond sectarianism. It was made to be this way by Roddenberry to serve as a contrast to what was going on in the 60s in order to expose how ridiculous the us-versus-them mentality was.

It's not surprising that someone like you would completely miss the point and instead see some insidious subliminal message implanted by Bolshevik subversives.
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# 44
02-18-2012, 06:09 AM
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# 45
02-18-2012, 06:29 AM
I like the stories where the good guys aren't doing good things, just because it says that they are good in the script. They are doing what they must in order have a result that will do more good.

One of the reasons I dislike the prequel jedi, because they are blinded by their goodness that they become ignorant and generally provoke more death than save lives.

That episode of DS9 was worth it, IMHO, too bad that we aren't seeing more like it and get bombarded instead with the same cliche good guys, who aren't reacting in a logical manner.
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