Lt. Commander
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# 21
02-22-2012, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Commadore_Bob
So, I need everyone's help. The larger sample size I have, the more accurate the data.

Definitions for this exercise
Winner: This character is one of the most respected in Star Trek.
Neither: This character has equal number of great moments as well as stupid moments.
Loser: Replacing this character with a potted plant wouldn't really hurt the series all that much.

Rate Each Character
TOS
Kirk Winner
Spock Winner
McCoy Winner
Scotty Winner
Sulu Neither
Chekov Neither
Uhura Loser

TNG
Picard Winner
Riker Neither
Data Winner
Geordi Neither
Worf Winner
Tasha Loser
Troi Loser
Beverly Neither
Wesley Loser
Pulaski Loser

DS9
Sisko Winner
Kira Winner
O'Brien Winner
Bashir Neither
Odo Winner
Quark Winner
Rom Winner
Nog Neither
Garak Winner
Dukat Winner

VOY
Janeway Neither
Chakotay Neither
Tuvok Winner
Paris Winner
Kim Neither
Torres Neither
Doctor Winner
Seven of Nine Winner
Kes Loser
Neelix Loser

ENT
Archer Neither
Tucker Winner
T'Pol Loser
Hoshi Loser
Travis Loser
Reed Neither
Phlox Winner

I wont rate the 2009 film as one appearnce is not enough. my judgment is clouded by the characters from the original.
Lt. Commander
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# 22
02-22-2012, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Commadore_Bob
So, I need everyone's help. The larger sample size I have, the more accurate the data.
Picard's a definite winner. And both of his parents survived into old age, apparently dying in the 2460s. His father didn't like his career choice, but he did seem to have happy memories with both parents and the few mentions his mother gets are all good.

I don't know if Picard's inclusion on the list in the original post -- while technically correct -- really supports what the theme of this thread is trying to say. Yeah, he lost both parents. But did so after a rather robust and full life with both of them and no broken childhood or anything like that. Compared to say, Tasha's parents, or Worf's parents? Or even Geordi's issues with losing his mom?

I also think Data, Odo and The Doctor can't really qualify for this list at least the way the OP presents them. Like take the Doctor. Technically Zimmerman is his "father" or "creator" but in the context of the discussion I'm not sure it applies properly. He wasn't raised by a father.
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# 23
02-22-2012, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by superchum View Post
Picard's a definite winner. And both of his parents survived into old age, apparently dying in the 2460s. His father didn't like his career choice, but he did seem to have happy memories with both parents and the few mentions his mother gets are all good.

I don't know if Picard's inclusion on the list in the original post -- while technically correct -- really supports what the theme of this thread is trying to say. Yeah, he lost both parents. But did so after a rather robust and full life with both of them and no broken childhood or anything like that. Compared to say, Tasha's parents, or Worf's parents? Or even Geordi's issues with losing his mom?

I also think Data, Odo and The Doctor can't really qualify for this list at least the way the OP presents them. Like take the Doctor. Technically Zimmerman is his "father" or "creator" but in the context of the discussion I'm not sure it applies properly. He wasn't raised by a father.
The thrust of the thread has changed over time. I'm now more focused on parental involvement in childhood. The OP was just focused on the current state of their parents. I plan on redoing it with parental status during childhood.

The Doctor and Data will most likely be left out due to their artificial nature. Also, Phlox may be left out due to the orgy that is families on his planet.
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# 24
02-24-2012, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackV7
McCoy - Father David McCoy murdered by his son via euthanasia / Mom unknown
I find the statement that McCoy murdered his father in this context to be biased and wrong.
Controversial - as someone else said - certainly, but not murder.
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