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# 11
02-25-2012, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Chillee View Post
Ok I had to re-read dragon’s post about his 2 and 2 EPt-X. And I have to admit that he does have a good point. Essentially he gets more weapon and shield power at the same time. Touche.

However, he does trade 3 lt commander level skill for for 2 copies of EPtW, which I would imagine lowers you’re dps; because if you wanted to chain skills, you can chain 2 copies of DEM1 in place of EPtW for higher dps with CRF.

i.e. 169 base shield regen MACO mk12, extra 30 shield power setting = 120% extra regen every 6 sec. which translates into another 203 shields every 6 sec… not a huge gain to be honest.

So if you do the math... the trade off is a 200 extra shield regen every 6 sec, for losing out on ~1.8k dps for 10 sec every 45 sec. I would rather go with the dps.

and really my build is just a variation of hakashin's (spelling?) pvp dread build, which i find to be far superior to the dragon. But there nothing to "duke out", as I doubt i would ever be able to convince some to drop his pet project build.
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# 12
02-26-2012, 01:14 AM
Cyell thanks for the build! Already I'm killing things so much quicker, though I'm still waiting to finish transitioning to your build. As I get prototype borg salvage and rare borg salvage to replace all the other weapons.

CRF1 is epic that it also effects the turrets!

Is getting the +3.5 weapon power console worth it? Also in the transition that I'm in right now I have two rapid reload transphasic torpedoes still, but been using doffs that decrease the cd on them. So instead of tt1 I have torpedo spread. I shoot high yield and 15 seconds later I shoot the spread.

Also I just recently got the entire aegis set is that better than the entire maco MXI set in your opinion?

Thanks!
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# 13
02-26-2012, 01:54 AM
TBH, my shields cost me 10 EDCs and the have about 500 more shield capacity than the aegis.
Did you also know that as well as the M.A.C.O resilient shields there are also Jem'Hadar ones being released in the next episode in game.
I have no idea what they are like but they seem promising.

M.A.C.O set is better than Aegis if you compare there stats. Engines= M.A.C.O Deflector= M.A.C.O Shield= M.A.C.O

M.A.C.O is superior to nearly all other sets!
GO WITH M.A.C.O!
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# 14
02-26-2012, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mbradshaw View Post
Cyell thanks for the build! Already I'm killing things so much quicker, though I'm still waiting to finish transitioning to your build. As I get prototype borg salvage and rare borg salvage to replace all the other weapons.

CRF1 is epic that it also effects the turrets!

Is getting the +3.5 weapon power console worth it? Also in the transition that I'm in right now I have two rapid reload transphasic torpedoes still, but been using doffs that decrease the cd on them. So instead of tt1 I have torpedo spread. I shoot high yield and 15 seconds later I shoot the spread.

Also I just recently got the entire aegis set is that better than the entire maco MXI set in your opinion?

Thanks!
ok so let me comment on the shields first. if you have an aegis set already, then dont waste any EDCs to buy a maco set. but when you get the rare/proto techs from stfs, you should replace the aegis.

the reason is that the you want the following set up:
maco deflector mk12
borg engine
maco shield mk12
borg console

this way you get the 2 piece bonus from both maco and borg... which is better than the 3 piece bonus from maco. and you want maco over aegis (even the mk11) is that the maco is slight better than the aegis. and by slight I do mean slight, but every little bit helps.

the 3.5 weapon power is really optional, but i didnt want to max out warpcore potential and energy weapon power just to get 2 more points of weapon power. and without either one, i sit at 123 weap power, and I really like my 125. But feel free to drop it for something else. And beside, it's not like there are any other consoles for the eng slot that is so amazing that you have to have it instead of the 3.5.

and for your torps i want to say this... if you're using HY and spread, then you dont have TT1. there is 2 reasons why you should do this...

1) if you're not using TT1, then you would be better off doing the following:
THY1 - CRF1
BO1

fore weapons:
DBB - cannon - cannon - q-torp
in that order as you want you DBB to be the first weapon that fires

eng consoles:
EPS - EPS - EPS - neutronium (you can switch out that 3rd EPS for a 3.5 weapon power)

chain together:
a-patern alpha, DEM3, CRF, THY, BO, go down fighting and tactical initiative. tac ini allows you to use CRF THY and BO on 15 sec CDs instead of 30, and you can get 3 of them in before you're buffs run out. And once the buffs run out pop off your lance.

Try it and watch the escorts on you team cry about how fast you burn things down. Just be care because anything you do that to will want you dead. This would be a good time to brace for impact, evasive manuvers, engine battery, and get out of range. wait for you to drop out of combat, cloak, and all threat/agro is wiped from you. Go back in and repeat. It is much better than 2 torp skills.

Read on to see why i didnt recommend this build from the start...

2)TT1 isn't a dps skill, it is a survival skill, as it can instantly reroute shield strength to the side you're getting hammered on. staying alive means more dps, because you do zero dps when dead, respawning, and heading back to the fight.

So basically if you do ~8k dps with all you skills, but you do ~10k with THY+BOL+CRF. in 60 sec, you will do 120k more dps, but then you die because you couldn't reroute shields fast enough, and it takes you 15 sec to get back into the fight, someone who didnt die would have done 120k dps.

EDIT: math is completely wrong. I have no idea wtf i was doing, but i think the idea is there... i will fix it...
EDIT 2: math fixed. numbers are completely ficticious... just trying to get the point accross.

in the end, turns out to be more or less the same amount of dmg. The difference in pve is pretty small, but in pvp, you dont want to die and give the other team a kill as well as numerical superiority against your team. So it really boils down to how you want to play, but do drop the 2nd torp, and replace the trans with a quantum.
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# 15
02-26-2012, 02:12 PM
Ah that makes sense with using those two sets together. I just thought the passive abilities awarded with the complete aegis set would be better over all than the M11 Maco set. I stand corrected.

Will correct that asap.

I have two neutronium hulls that stack for 26% resist everything, which is why I was asking about the 3.5 console.

What are your power level settings for your dreadnought? I usually have weapons at 50, Shields at 85, speed at 40, and aux at 25. Then the green extra energy is on top of those values.

I didn't realize what tt1 was. I was thinking for some reason it was boarding party where you send the shuttles which didn't make sense to me, but now that I know what tactical team really is I'm going to fix that.
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# 16
02-26-2012, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mbradshaw View Post
Ah that makes sense with using those two sets together. I just thought the passive abilities awarded with the complete aegis set would be better over all than the M11 Maco set. I stand corrected.

Will correct that asap.

I have two neutronium hulls that stack for 26% resist everything, which is why I was asking about the 3.5 console.

What are your power level settings for your dreadnought? I usually have weapons at 50, Shields at 85, speed at 40, and aux at 25. Then the green extra energy is on top of those values.

I didn't realize what tt1 was. I was thinking for some reason it was boarding party where you send the shuttles which didn't make sense to me, but now that I know what tactical team really is I'm going to fix that.
just wait for drops from stfs to get your maco stuff. there no rush really, because the aegis is pretty nice, and is only overshadowed by the mk12 maco set. so don't waste edc's on getting the maco k11 stuff.

my power settings are:
125/100
72/50 <--- base setting, it's actually 94/100 since i have 2 copies of WPtS, so the bonus is always on.
50/25
50/25

weapons: you want to hit things as hard as you can, it's sorta what the dread does best. lowering this should only be when you're trying to survive a massive assualt from multipul enemies.

shields: doesn't increase the amount of shields you get, just the regen. so leaving this low isn't that big of a deal. in fact you can run this at 47/25 (69/25 with EPtS) and be ok dump the other points into engine.

EDIT: shield power also increase your shield resist, i'm not sure by how much, so it is still a good idea to keep shields at 50 base.

engine: in stf i spend most of my time parked, shooting face first into what ever im shooting at, so i never needed this to be higher than 50. In pvp it's not a bad idea to keep this at a higher level.

aux: well... very nice for heals, but it's hard to justify putting too many points into this
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# 17
02-26-2012, 10:44 PM
OMG

Just had the smoothiest Kithomer accord elite stf playthrough ever! Got oppotional and killed the boss with her cloaking twice! Didn't even die!

And right now I have a tricolbot device MX12 since before you suggested build and used that instead of quantum and totally rocked it! THANK YOU Cyell!
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# 18
02-27-2012, 09:34 AM
Glad you like the build, GL out there.
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# 19
02-28-2012, 02:15 AM
Nice build. I ll try it too. But ive got a question. Why phaser and not antiproton?
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# 20
02-28-2012, 02:19 AM
Im guessing because your spinal lance fires phaser.
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