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# 21
03-08-2012, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DKnight1000
How about an auxillery craft like a more combat orientated version of the captain's yacht?

Would I like a Sovreign refit, yes very much so. Will it happen, highly unlikely because we're getting 3 flavours of Oddesy.
I am... somewhat skeptical about this. While I realize a lot of people here are cynical about it, they are aware of the demand. It was even commented on on a recent STOked during an interview with one of the developers. Plus... well, look at how many people are commenting how Cryptic practically HAS the money in other people's wallets should they deign fit to actually develop and deploy the thing.

If they have any sense they will at least seriously consider it. It seems like the Sovereign is the cruiser of choice for a LOT of people, particularly tactical officers. I myself am somewhat torn between my Anniversary Odyssey and my Sovereign, though I'm leaning towards the Sovereign rather quickly.
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# 22
03-08-2012, 01:13 AM
my idea was to give the odissey+1 a sovy skin with all the new features of the odissey: aux craft, saucer seperation... BOFF layout.

maybe that phase 2 sovy skin, which somebody posted prior. http://johneaves.files.wordpress.com...al-e-small.jpg

i have to say i never thought the sovy design could be improved anyhow, but that phase 2 design is just fantastic and needs to be put ingame in any way possible. Just imagine you, your sovy against a burg cube...it will be legen...


wait for it...
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# 23
03-08-2012, 01:19 AM
...wait for it...
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# 24
03-08-2012, 01:20 AM
uhhhh wait...






...DARY!!!
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# 25
03-08-2012, 01:38 AM
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my idea was to give the odissey+1 a sovy skin with all the new features of the odissey: aux craft, saucer seperation... BOFF layout.

maybe that phase 2 sovy skin, which somebody posted prior. http://johneaves.files.wordpress.com...al-e-small.jpg

i have to say i never thought the sovy design could be improved anyhow, but that phase 2 design is just fantastic and needs to be put ingame in any way possible.

...
The problem with that is that the Odyssey is called the 'space whale' by some, and those some are right. The Ody sacrifices maneuverability in favor of armor and shields. That one degree seems to be a particularly big threshold, especially when someone is using an RCS console to boost it - if I recall correctly I can coax 12 deg/sec out of my Sovereign, but can't get 10 deg/sec out of my Ody. Numerically it may be of only marginal significance, but it sure FEELS pretty different, at least to me. Note this is all with engines at 25, with the end result plus bonuses at around 50-something and a Borg engine. Plus, the Sovereign has significantly less inertia.

For power, the Ody's +20 power contribution is not spread across all three systems as with the Sovereign. Rather, it's in Aux and Shields. I would like to see the Sovereign at LEAST get the power boosts of the Excelsior, (a whopping 30 points total), with at least 1/4th of that going into the weapons. It IS an assault cruiser after all.

This doesn't touch the consoles or the BOff slots.

That said, the +1 Ody is still in production and we don't know what it's final stats will be (in any configuration), so this is all very speculative at the moment, but the Ody is a different enough beast that I doubt a reskin would be sufficient. It'd just disappoint a lot of people used to the Sovereign's subtle differences in her sharper bite and more nimble build.
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# 26
03-08-2012, 02:07 AM
I'd love to see a +1 Sovereign myself. Although, and I feel kind of embarrassed at this, I can't seem to be able to find much difference between the Nemesis refit concept art and the original Sovvy...
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# 27
03-08-2012, 02:27 AM
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I'd love to see a +1 Sovereign myself. Although, and I feel kind of embarrassed at this, I can't seem to be able to find much difference between the Nemesis refit concept art and the original Sovvy...
Don't feel bad - neither can I.

There're a lot of very subtle differences. There's an article somewhere that goes into detail. One or two points I remember include the ship being very slightly lengthened, the nacelles moved a bit, and I think they added more phasers and/or torpedo launchers. I believe on the original design they had a nasty blind spot for phasers, which is very bad for a ship that (at least the fanbase expects) was designed to fight the Borg.

That said, getting into the blind spot left you at the mercy of the aft torpedo launcher, so it's very questionable as to just how much of a strategic advantage that would be. Maybe if the captain wanted to defeat you, but not COMPLETELY destroy you...
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# 28
03-08-2012, 02:44 AM
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Either you misheard or that was a bit of wishful thinking. No one ever said this, not even once let alone "over and over."
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It's something that just kinda took on a life of it's own. Because the E was so much more of a "military" ship than the D was most people just assumed that the Borg were the reason for it.
Actually somewhere...god forgive me its 240 am so.mind stopped mostly but that was the reasoning..she was built with a sleeker design..given quantums as the standard choice torp and family was removed. The birg were the reasoning behind her design...else it wouldnt appear as it did in first contact anyway i think its on the dvd commentary tbh. Her station slot warranted no higher than a lt tactical tho...guess thry didnt get the memo from cryptic or used a hax to place worf at tactical to get that high yield 3.
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# 29
03-08-2012, 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Red_1999
The problem with that is that the Odyssey is called the 'space whale' by some, and those some are right. The Ody sacrifices maneuverability in favor of armor and shields. That one degree seems to be a particularly big threshold, especially when someone is using an RCS console to boost it - if I recall correctly I can coax 12 deg/sec out of my Sovereign, but can't get 10 deg/sec out of my Ody. Numerically it may be of only marginal significance, but it sure FEELS pretty different, at least to me. Note this is all with engines at 25, with the end result plus bonuses at around 50-something and a Borg engine. Plus, the Sovereign has significantly less inertia.

For power, the Ody's +20 power contribution is not spread across all three systems as with the Sovereign. Rather, it's in Aux and Shields. I would like to see the Sovereign at LEAST get the power boosts of the Excelsior, (a whopping 30 points total), with at least 1/4th of that going into the weapons. It IS an assault cruiser after all.

This doesn't touch the consoles or the BOff slots.

That said, the +1 Ody is still in production and we don't know what it's final stats will be (in any configuration), so this is all very speculative at the moment, but the Ody is a different enough beast that I doubt a reskin would be sufficient. It'd just disappoint a lot of people used to the Sovereign's subtle differences in her sharper bite and more nimble build.
Well I also had that sovi-skin idea.
You are, of course, right, the Odysee does not at all reperesent an "advanced version" of the assault cruiser in terms of stats.

But to be honest; I do not fly the Sovi because of her stats, but because of her looks, I just addapt to her stats.
A souvereign skin for the Odysee is prety much the only way to get ME to buy the Odysee. (and if the AUX craft becomes a proper scaled Defaint a fanboys dream would become true^^)
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# 30
03-08-2012, 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Sosuhno
Actually somewhere...god forgive me its 240 am so.mind stopped mostly but that was the reasoning..she was built with a sleeker design..given quantums as the standard choice torp and family was removed. The birg were the reasoning behind her design...else it wouldnt appear as it did in first contact anyway i think its on the dvd commentary tbh. Her station slot warranted no higher than a lt tactical tho...guess thry didnt get the memo from cryptic or used a hax to place worf at tactical to get that high yield 3.


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Well I also had that sovi-skin idea.
You are, of course, right, the Odysee does not at all reperesent an "advanced version" of the assault cruiser in terms of stats.

But to be honest; I do not fly the Sovi because of her stats, but because of her looks, I just addapt to her stats.
A souvereign skin for the Odysee is prety much the only way to get ME to buy the Odysee. (and if the AUX craft becomes a proper scaled Defaint a fanboys dream would become true^^)
As far as I know the Aux Craft will be comparable to a Saber Class escort in size and capabilities... hardly a Defiant.

Edit: BTW, I just read the CapLogan is leaving Cryptic. This means there won't be a Venturefied version most likely as the new guy probably will bring in his own style.
He build the Chaffee shuttle.
But I hope he reads the forums and finds this thread, so he will be aware of the demand for an improved version of the Sovereign class.
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