Originally Posted by Floridaguy74656

So Im a lunatic now huh nice Its fun getting to report people this morning

Originally Posted by Ashur1

I didn´t use the word lunatic, that´s why I put it in quotation marks.

Originally Posted by JamJamz

I never said size matters, I just don't think that the Ambassador should be able to compete with any of the other T5 ships. And return on time... who really uses the Excelsior refit? Really... I've seen a spattering of them, but they're certainly not popular.

Even creating the Ambassador (as a refit, of course) as a T5 ship, to keep the majority of peace, we'd have to make it weak compared to other ships -- thus making it more or less worthless.

It "should" be in-game, sure. So should a lot of other things, things that are higher on the priority list, and will remain higher on the priority list.

I personally don't like the Ambassador design, there's exactly nothing innovative about it, creating a refit design would be cool though, but then we're not making the Ambassador, and people don't like that.

There's nothing special about it that makes it worth pushing up on the priority list. It's simply a weak T5 ship, even after a refit. We could gimmick a console that does something cool on it... but then we'd have a poop-storm of people complaining that it doesn't look like the original one, it's a c-store gimmick, with a lame console, it's weak... blah blah blah.
If we make it strong, and useful... another poop-storm would erupt, likely a larger one, complaining that it's too strong, it's an old ship that shouldn't be more powerful than modern ships... blah blah blah.

You know it. I agree, it should be in the game, but there are other things that NEED to be put in the game before it, things that will actually affect a large portion of players, the Ambassador will never get a chance to do it.

So... no, the Ambassador will likely not be up on the list of things to do soon, higher priorities, you know... like content players will use

Originally Posted by JamJamz

I'm terribly confused, The Excelsior isn't as popular with the masses as you may think. Perhaps among forum goers, which are generally people that are a bit more passionate about eccentric aspects of the game than "joe-schmoe-regular-player-dude"

Originally Posted by JamJamz

Is the Ambassador really that special that it would be worth setting aside new things for? My vote is a big fat "hells naw."

Originally Posted by JamJamz

Honestly, I think you guys are a hoot.

It seems many, not most, and certainly not all, forum posters take Star Trek waaaay too seriously.

Remember... this is the universe with space Abe Lincoln.... Abe Lincoln... in space. .... The 14th President of the US... in space.

This is also the universe where some random person can launch a star ship tens of billions of light years away.... OH, and back again.

This is also the universe where there are societies on planets that are nearly indistinguishable from 1930s big-city America...


Let's not forget that people can teleport just about anywhere, but still take elevators.



When I watch Star Trek, the complete, utter, insanity that takes place makes me laugh. The insanity on the forums is very similar. It's always here for a good laugh.


Lots of people are nice though, this thread has it's pile of people that like the changes (you haven't seen anything yet!)... and those people I love more than the whiners, of course.

I'm a one man team, I'm making ships that I like right now, the D'Kora being one of my favorites. Next up is a ship nobody has seen before... well... several, actually.

And, no, it's not the Ambassador. I've got to make high tier ships before making low tier ships, sorry, that's just the way it is. Besides, that thing looks goofy.





Oh...
On another note, while I'm here... maybe the people who care more about ship stats than the looks (I have nothing for you.) can answer...
What's so bad about having a variety of energy types for weapons on your ship? I did a few Elite STFs for the first time, and every time at least two people on the team went ape-s**t because of it... yet we completed the optional objectives fine, nobody died... Are they just mad that my ship looked prettier than theirs?

Originally Posted by USS_Ultimatum

The T5 Cruiser-space is already overpopulated. It will be incredibly hard to find a space for this ship that will A) be unique and B) Please players and make the ship desirable to the players that actually want this ship to begin with.

Visually the ship does not stand out, specifically because of it's original design as a bridge between Excelsior and the Galaxy.

Originally Posted by cheer

Well, as much as I think many of us here had some great points to bring up to JamJamz, the thread has (as they are wont to do) gone off the rails with lunatics calling for a dev's termination, etc.

This is why we can't have nice discussions with the dev on topics like this. Thank you, lunatics.

Originally Posted by Ashur1

It´s ONE "lunatic".

Just because one person goes completely overboard with his reactions doesn´t mean everyone else is.

Originally Posted by Floridaguy74656

So Im a lunatic now huh nice Its fun getting to report people this morning

Originally Posted by Direphoenix

So you're acknowledging that you've gone off the rails and completely overboard then?

Originally Posted by bradley1701

Technology and when things were originally built argument was thrown to the wayside a long time ago with other old ships being put in game and T5's of ships being available that people thought wouldn't be a T5.

Sorta like how in the beginning, ship class choices were railroading us so if people saw a Galaxy they knew it was engineering, Intrepid was science, etc. Now we have the Odyssey which looks the same but can be used by all three classes.

There can no longer be "logical" Trek tech arguments anymore because Cryptic has been setting in-game precedence since closed beta.

Originally Posted by virusdancer

We can't go by what the silent or quiet majority want... yet we have several in that vocal minority that are very outspoken. They appear in each thread, hammering away their points repeatedly - it's what stands out - it's what gains the attention...

...and to some extent, begins to lead to stereotyping of those that are pro-Ambassador.

Some folks try to see past that and deal with individuals that are pro-Ambassador on an individual or even small group basis.

At the same time, it also happens from the other perspective. Those that do not want exactly what this outspoken minority want are lumped in with the people that do not want the Ambassador at all. This is often picked up by others that may not have read a single thing the person said, but they saw the label, and it sticks.

Everything ends up in the extremes... people that are not at those extremes, will often find themselves in arguments with everybody, lol.

Person A is pro-Ambassador, but they are not PRO-Ambassador - so they'll end up as CON-Ambassador to those PRO-Ambassador folks. Person B is con-Ambassador, but they are not CON-Ambassador - so they'll end up as PRO-Ambassador to those CON-Ambassador folks. Even some of the pro folks are not pro enough, so they'll end up con or CON to those that are more pro or PRO..

The Ambassador-class is a minefield. I honestly do not think JJz realized what he was walking into when he commented...

...with his interaction though, what is he going to walk away with? Is he going to realize that it was really only a few very vocal folks that were ready to lynch him and that the majority of folks were just doing our typical middle of the road discussion? Even if he does realize that on an intellectual level, tries to maintain a professional attitude, etc, etc... he's still human.

It's very easy to end up despising users and not wanting to have anything to do with them...lol. Give me a room full of servers and a boss to filter the users...ayup...